http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change An entire Lightstalkers thread via RSS/XML. en-us Ferdinando Scianna always likes to remind that when HIS Magnum membership was being discussed, due to his fashion works there were among the opinions also horrified ones, and he was seen "like a dog in a church" (what's the English equivalent for this expression?)... <a href="http://www.scenariomag.it/fred-perry-campagna-ss-2013/" target="_blank">http://www.scenariomag.it/fred-perry-campagna-ss-2013/</a> Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:32:40 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change Because the English love their dogs more than most other life forms and no longer go to church there is, as far as I know, no equivalent expression. Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:17:43 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178062 Though Nigel's explanation makes more sense see below for an explanation of the expression that, as Nigel also says, seems to have no equivalent in English. http://italian.about.com/b/2009/06/25/like-a-dog-in-church.htm Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:55:05 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178063 Hello again. As it turns out there is a church in America that welcomes dogs: http://www.salemnews.com/local/x1691794126/Good-dogs-go-to-church Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:00:02 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178064 Hey, in latin america in some not center cities is common to find dogs in all places, included churches and did photos of them in hospitals. Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:06:57 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178065 Sorry Laura, I think we scape by the tangent, as we said in spanish (escaparse por la tangente). But I don't get clear the issue of this post. What you want to say about Scianna or about Magnum? Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:11:46 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178066 Nigel and Barry, is there some metaphor for expressing that someone is unpleasant/unwelcome? Hernan, the point was that while in the past in Magnum it was almost unthinkable that fashion and photojournalism would've gone together (Scianna was admitted anyway), nowadays it's acceptable that a Magnum photographer does also fashion (see the link). Just came into my mind when I saw the "news" of the new Fred Perry campaign in the Italian weekly magazine L'Espresso couple of weeks ago... Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:20:50 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178067 I thought that the worst battle inside Magnum was between who likes Martin Parr and those that didn't liked his work. Anyway. I don't see any problem to do fashion works, Sebastiao Salgado did it too. Is something to get money like the past work that a lot of Magnum photographers did for the corporate system (annual books, portraits, etc). Elliott Erwitt is a champion in mix his own work with some advertising job. So, I don't see any change thru the times. If you mention the awarded photo of Paolo, discussed in another post and in other sites, this is another issue cause Magnum was created to defend the integrity of the work that do the photographers of the agency. Some of the variables they wanted to protect was the caption and the misuse of the photos. This spirit was damaged in some way, Is my personal think, with the photo that Paolo included in his essay he did at Rochester. Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:05:37 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178068 Hernan, first of all I'm not expressing any opinions of mine about Magnum + fashion-or-not-fashion (I don't know if you saw my post like an opinion to one direction or another?). Secondly, the fact that the photographer in question is Pellegrin has nothing to do with this, it's just a coincidence (even though I was afraid someone would misinterpret this, like you apparently did), but he's a Magnum photographer, and I think the only reason L'Espresso published the small article about the FP campaign is because Pellegrin is Italian. But, as I said, reading it made me remember what I've heard Scianna say when recalling the time his membership was being discussed. Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:13:46 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178069 So, maybe the translate of the dog phrase is more interesting? Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:55:44 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178070 <i>Alla fine della fiera</i> (= at the end of the day) - most probably. Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:04:41 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178071 there are one phrase in spanish but is very vulgar, coarse or rude: "desubicado como chupete en el culo" (out of place like a pacifier in the ass). Maybe the members of Magnum will be horrified by this expression too Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:22:25 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178072 Well, Hernan, that expression seems to catch the spirit of the thing. A bit stronger than the one about the dog, however. It's quite an image, though, one that I may have a hard time forgetting. Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:57:05 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178077 Yes, sorry. Here, in argentine, we are very dirty mouth. I have to learn how be more measured. We have a lot of this kind of anonymous quotes, some of the more funniest are from Cordoba province whose locals have a particular accent. I was tempted to suggest another less strong but don't really fit the comparison with the dog in a church cause here is most used to described someone lost. Is: lost like a dog in a bocce court (perdido como perro en cancha de bochas). Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:37:40 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178080 Yeah, I have mentioned the pacifier expression to a few friends and we have all decided to learn a few more Argentine expressions. Very amusing, and graphic. Sat, 16 Mar 2013 04:10:23 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178081 BTW, if you ever see a sex shop catalogue, you'll find that the "out of place" part of the phrase is arguable :P Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:32:39 +0000 http://www.lightstalkers.org/posts/times-change#178083