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Hello all,

I have a small dilema with regards to trying to get commercial photographic work here in Bangkok and would like a little feedback from the members of this forum.  My present portfolio is filled with material which is of a different variety than the work which I desire to get.  I currently have a great deal of fine art in my portfolio (http://www.johnkphotography.com) as well as some more progressive (http://www.johnkphotography.com/4agent4/color.html) color art photography.  I desire to get fashion work, yet I don’t have any fashion images and am lacking a studio in Bangkok or the 8000 baht day rate for local studio rental.  My questions are these:



1. Is an art portfolio a one-way trip to rejection for commercial photography? 



2.Im sure that many other photographers have been in a similar situation where they are broke but need to revamp there portfolio in hopes of climbing out of photo-poverty.  Do you have any creative suggestions for putting together a new portfolio without going into massive debt by renting from out the local studios at 8000 baht per day.



3.  In the new portfolio should there be solely fashion images or should there be published work that doesnt fit the fashion bill as well?  Should there be a sole focus on fashion when trying to get fashion work or should there be some kind of balance between the more personal art images and the fashion images? 



I realize to some extent the answers to these questions will vary from one photo market to the next, but I am sure that there are some general guidelines as well.  I have already tried to get photo-assisting work here for several months, have contacted every agency in the metro area and have even tried showing up in person in order to get a chance to meet some of the local agencies and photographers.  I am quickly running out of ideas and am very grateful for any ideas or insights which other lightstalkers would be willing to share.



Thanks in advance,

  -John

by John Klukas at Sat Mar 18 22:02:25 UTC 2006 (ed. Mar 12 2008) Bangkok, Thailand | Bookmark this | Digg this |

John, why not shoot fashion on location with models that want to build their own portfolios as well?


by erica mcdonald | 18 Mar 2006 22:03 | Brooklyn, NY, United States |
John,



Join up at <a href="http://www.modelmayhem.com">ModelMayhem</a> and look for models which require Time For Prints (TFP) or other portfolio building services. <br>

Ideally for fashion you need a portfolio which includes both studio and location shots, as this shows the person browsing your portfolio that you have the ability to handle most location shoots.




by Daniel Cuthbert | 19 Mar 2006 08:03 | london, United Kingdom |
Hey John,
I would go around to the local model agencies and offer my services to them for testing the models. This is quite frequent in New York. Agencies will want newer models to build their portfolios. So, you dont pay for your model and they dont pay for the photos- al least at first. If they like the work you are doing then you can offer them a rate to shoot their models for either their portfolio’s or comp cards. I recommend focusing on shooting outdoors. Your in Thailand! it shouldn’t be to hard to find great locations. Photographers fly half way around the world to shoot on location there. Also, you can try to cultivate a relationship with one studio, maybe see if they will let you use the studio once in a while for your personal stuff and then bring them the business when you have it. Maybe you could offer to work in their studio one or two days a week in exchange for use one day a week…. Start with locations! Your in F__kin Thailand!

by Nick May | 19 Mar 2006 19:03 | Beijing, China |
Fashion work in the portfolio is very important, and always use film!


by Billy Soh | 20 Mar 2006 04:03 (ed. Mar 20 2006) | Singapore, Singapore |
Thank you, all of you for the feedback. 


Billy, I was curious as to why you recomended that I always use film.  I use film for most of my personal art and some commisions but I am under the impression that digital is rapidly becoming the prefered media for the fashion industry.  In fact the other commercial photographers who I have chatted with both here and in the states are using digital for all their assignments, as it is what the client has requested.  Am I off base thinking that industry is leaning strongly towards digital and that film in my portfolio will not lend it any additional merit?  I still prefer film as I think the quality is better, but for images which are eventually slated for print, would there be any advantage to showing that I am proficient with film?


- John

by John Klukas | 20 Mar 2006 06:03 | Bangkok, Thailand |
It all depends on what you do, whether you’re doing fashion for the sake of commercial, or for some other reasons. If commerciality is involved then you would shoot in digital for the sake of it being instant. Film saves you the extra time spent in front of your computer.


by Billy Soh | 20 Mar 2006 07:03 | Singapore, Singapore |
Billy thats a crazy comment, sorry



Film saves you time? err its all the same as most film takes 1 day to develop and then scan/manipulate etc


by Daniel Cuthbert | 21 Mar 2006 05:03 | london, United Kingdom |
Commercially speaking it does seem to take a longer time for the lapse at the lab.



The digital scenario presents this:

The client sees the images on the spot, while attending to the client comments and the art directors pick the shots, there goes a decisive moment when the photographer is not behind the camera, and the photographer’s attention leaves the set. Even the photographer’s own strict discipline couldn’t hold back to the overwhelming requests from the various persons.



Well, different media serves different purposes. In fact, most sane people would think its crazy, but from my own experience I spent more time balancing colours on direct digital images than those that were drum scanned from transparencies. For certain fine details like hairs in backlight, somehow most digital equipment can’t handle well. Since Klukas was talking about fashion in his portfolio, then there’s fabrics and hairs and skin involved, and only Sinar would perform outstandingly well for capturing these surfaces.



To hire Sinar digital equipment isn’t cheap either, that I would stick to 120 transparencies and polaroid tests.



Maybe I’m spoilt for the choice here as it only takes 3 hours to get films processed, and another 3 hours for the lab to get the images scanned at extremely high resolution. Whilst in between the time I get other work and errands done instead of sitting in front of the computer. (I’m responding and reading posts here, that’s also computer time…too much screen isn’t good for our precious eyes which we depend on dearly.)


by Billy Soh | 21 Mar 2006 06:03 | Singapore, Singapore |

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