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$50 1/2 page Timeout NY, fair?

Been contacted by an editor at TimeOut NY about an image in one of my blogs that they’d like to use. They offered a photo credit. I told them I’d be delighted for them to run the shot but would expect a fee. They said $50 as it’s a weekly and minimal budget. What say you folk? Have any of you managed to haggle for more? They’re keen, I know that. But $50? From a major New York magazine?
Cheers,
Paulyman
Photohumourist

by Paul Treacy at 2008-10-15 21:50:24 UTC (ed. Oct 15 2008 ) London , United Kingdom | Bookmark | | Report spam→

A little circulation magazine tell me today that their budget for 1/2 page are 75. Sometimes is difficult to know the circulation or publicity rates of some magazines. If someone have a web site or something to get this info will be ok to negociate sometimes.

by Hernan Zenteno | 16 Oct 2008 01:10 | Buenos Aires, Argentina | | Report spam→
So they said would likely be 1/4 page. FotoQuote says consumer mag at circulation 100,000 at 1/4 page in the US would be $297 for print, additional for online too. TimeOut NY’s circulation is almost 140,000, apparently. Such a rip off seems to me. I’d be willing to negotiate given that it’s a monthly. The New York edition is the most successful.
What say you?

by Paul Treacy | 16 Oct 2008 09:10 (ed. Oct 16 2008) | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Thanks for responding Hernan.

by Paul Treacy | 16 Oct 2008 09:10 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
I wouldn’t bother for $50. The NUJ Guides says between £85 and £95 – I know that’s UK prices, but it’s not that different between London and NYC.
http://www.londonfreelance.org/feesguide/phmagrat.html

by Phil Brown | 16 Oct 2008 12:10 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
I wouldn’t do it for $50 – it sounds like they wanted it for free in the first place….

by Dave Walsh | 16 Oct 2008 12:10 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
Mate, not a chance!
Why not phone them as a potential advertiser and enquire about a 1/4 page advert, you can bet your arse that it won’t be $50.00

by Shayne Robinson | 16 Oct 2008 13:10 | Johannesburg, South Africa | | Report spam→
I sent a lightbox from Photoshelter and if they don’t like the price quoted by FotoQuote, which is reasonable, they can piss off.

by Paul Treacy | 16 Oct 2008 14:10 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
$200 minimum for a quarter page.

by James Colburn | 16 Oct 2008 15:10 | McAllen, Texas, United States | | Report spam→
I worked for Time Out NY a bunch several years ago. Their assignment rates were very low and they say, and I believed them, they have no budget for photography. So I don’t think the editor is trying to rip you off, they are probably try to get good content with no budget. Not sure why the photo dept. has no money they seem quite successful.

by Stephanie Keith | 16 Oct 2008 18:10 | Brooklyn, New York, United States | | Report spam→
It’s not a question of whether or not it’s fair. It’s a matter of whether you are willing to sell your photo for $50.

by [former member] | 16 Oct 2008 18:10 | New York, United States | | Report spam→
i was contacted by a major nyc magazine about publishing some of my work for 150 for a full page. the editor also said that it would be used on the internet and that they would give me CREDIT! AND lots of blogs tend to use the images from their web site so i would be seen all over the internet!
WOW! CREDIT? a byline! free usage!
awesome!

i simply wrote back and told them that i was sorry for wasting their time.

by chad hunt | 17 Oct 2008 00:10 | new york city, United States | | Report spam→
No budget for photography? So run a magazine without photographs.

And about usage rates, we just have to decide how much our work costs. There are pictures for all sorts of cash. Including no cash at all.

Choose and then fight for your choices.

For me, $50 is outrageous.

by Anderson Schneider | 22 Oct 2008 12:10 | Brasilia, Brazil | | Report spam→
Sounds like they don’t need a budget, because enough photographers will give them all they need!

It thus becomes a vicious circle…
“We have no budget for photos, but we can give you a credit”…
“Uh, OK, I guess I need a current tearsheet”…

(In magazine managers’ budget meeting) “We don’t really need a budget because photographers are willing to give us shots in exchange for credits so they can get tearsheets, so let’s save the money for the Christmas party!” (cheers expressed)…

and around and around it goes…..

by [former member] | 22 Oct 2008 12:10 | Washington, DC, United States | | Report spam→
I didn’t let them have it for what they were offering and having told them how much it would be, they haven’t gotten back to me. I guess because they saw the image on a blog they thought they could get it for nothing. I told them my wife and kids would be very displeased had I let them use it for the price they offered. Rascals.

by Paul Treacy | 22 Oct 2008 12:10 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Hey, I had someone recently contact me “offering” to use my photographs for free in their international magazine, they would “give” me a credit, and would, wait for it, “allow” me to “keep the rights to the image”. It was an offer I could not just refuse.

by Dave Walsh | 22 Oct 2008 13:10 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
man! they were gonna GIVE you a bi-line!! that’s awesome! you should have done it!!!
i mean, someone might see your name and think " wow, this guy will work for a bi-line!!"

in all seriousness…. it’s a sad state of affairs out there.

but the saddest fact is that for every guy like you who says “no” there are 50 who will say yes.

by chad hunt | 22 Oct 2008 13:10 | new york city, United States | | Report spam→
Indeed, Neal & Chad: it’s a harsh time…

2 weeks ago, the major public TV station in France wanted to air a “short piece about Iceland” and asked for 20 photos of mine. “Full& wide” credit (wtf does that mean?) but "couldn’t pay, as ther budget were oh “so low” in this “economic crisis” (I “would understand”)… Right!
After some back&forth emailing, I obviously denied that “great opportunity for both of us” (and NO $ for me)…

And, 2 days ago, they told me (sic!) that some guy accepted their terms! Fils de putes.

by Tanguy Gilson | 22 Oct 2008 15:10 (ed. Oct 22 2008) | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
I hear this all the time too.

I’ve been replying that I offered to put my plumber’s name on my toilet and blog about the experience if he didn’t charge me for his service. He didn’t go for it…

Maybe we can just show up to jobs with a tip jar.

by Ben Gancsos | 22 Oct 2008 18:10 | Stamford, CT, United States | | Report spam→
Im glad everyone here agrees that Time Out’s and other pubs. offer’s are a rip off. There may be 50 ‘photogs’ that will do it for free for every one of us that wont but take solace in the fact that your not contributing to the problem. At some point the quality of the photography their using will diminish so far that they might have to reconsider their photo budget’s. Hopefully…

by Bill Thomas | 22 Oct 2008 18:10 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→

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Participants

Paul  Treacy, Photographer Paul Treacy
Photographer
(Photohumourist)
London , United Kingdom ( LGW )
Hernan Zenteno, Photographer Hernan Zenteno
Photographer
Buenos Aires , Argentina ( EZE )
Phil Brown, Phil Brown
[undisclosed location].
Dave Walsh, Writer, photographer Dave Walsh
Writer, photographer
(Energy and Environment)
Wexford , Ireland
Shayne Robinson, Photojournalist Shayne Robinson
Photojournalist
(Have passport - Will Travel)
Johannesburg , South Africa
James Colburn, Photographer/Photo Editor James Colburn
Photographer/Photo Editor
Omaha, Nebraska , United States ( OMA )
Stephanie Keith, photographer Stephanie Keith
photographer
Brooklyn, Ny , United States ( JFK )
chad hunt, photography chad hunt
photography
(www.chadhuntphotography)
New York City , United States
Anderson Schneider, Photojournalist Anderson Schneider
Photojournalist
Brasilia , Brazil ( BSB )
Tanguy Gilson, Photographer Tanguy Gilson
Photographer
Trekking Solo In The Wilderness , Iceland
Ben Gancsos, Photographer Ben Gancsos
Photographer
Brooklyn, Ny , United States ( JFK )
Bill Thomas, Photographer-Videographer Bill Thomas
Photographer-Videographer
Nyc , United States


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