$50 1/2 page Timeout NY, fair?

A little circulation magazine tell me today that their budget for 1/2 page are 75. Sometimes is difficult to know the circulation or publicity rates of some magazines. If someone have a web site or something to get this info will be ok to negociate sometimes.

So they said would likely be 1/4 page. FotoQuote says consumer mag at circulation 100,000 at 1/4 page in the US would be $297 for print, additional for online too. TimeOut NY’s circulation is almost 140,000, apparently. Such a rip off seems to me. I’d be willing to negotiate given that it’s a monthly. The New York edition is the most successful.
What say you?

Thanks for responding Hernan.

I wouldn’t bother for $50. The NUJ Guides says between £85 and £95 – I know that’s UK prices, but it’s not that different between London and NYC.
http://www.londonfreelance.org/feesguide/phmagrat.html

I wouldn’t do it for $50 – it sounds like they wanted it for free in the first place….

Mate, not a chance!
Why not phone them as a potential advertiser and enquire about a 1/4 page advert, you can bet your arse that it won’t be $50.00

I sent a lightbox from Photoshelter and if they don’t like the price quoted by FotoQuote, which is reasonable, they can piss off.

$200 minimum for a quarter page.

I worked for Time Out NY a bunch several years ago. Their assignment rates were very low and they say, and I believed them, they have no budget for photography. So I don’t think the editor is trying to rip you off, they are probably try to get good content with no budget. Not sure why the photo dept. has no money they seem quite successful.

It’s not a question of whether or not it’s fair. It’s a matter of whether you are willing to sell your photo for $50.

i was contacted by a major nyc magazine about publishing some of my work for 150 for a full page. the editor also said that it would be used on the internet and that they would give me CREDIT! AND lots of blogs tend to use the images from their web site so i would be seen all over the internet!
WOW! CREDIT? a byline! free usage!
awesome!

i simply wrote back and told them that i was sorry for wasting their time.

No budget for photography? So run a magazine without photographs.

And about usage rates, we just have to decide how much our work costs. There are pictures for all sorts of cash. Including no cash at all.

Choose and then fight for your choices.

For me, $50 is outrageous.

Sounds like they don’t need a budget, because enough photographers will give them all they need!

It thus becomes a vicious circle…
“We have no budget for photos, but we can give you a credit”…
“Uh, OK, I guess I need a current tearsheet”…

(In magazine managers’ budget meeting) “We don’t really need a budget because photographers are willing to give us shots in exchange for credits so they can get tearsheets, so let’s save the money for the Christmas party!” (cheers expressed)…

and around and around it goes…..

I didn’t let them have it for what they were offering and having told them how much it would be, they haven’t gotten back to me. I guess because they saw the image on a blog they thought they could get it for nothing. I told them my wife and kids would be very displeased had I let them use it for the price they offered. Rascals.

Hey, I had someone recently contact me “offering” to use my photographs for free in their international magazine, they would “give” me a credit, and would, wait for it, “allow” me to “keep the rights to the image”. It was an offer I could not just refuse.

man! they were gonna GIVE you a bi-line!! that’s awesome! you should have done it!!!
i mean, someone might see your name and think " wow, this guy will work for a bi-line!!"

in all seriousness…. it’s a sad state of affairs out there.

but the saddest fact is that for every guy like you who says “no” there are 50 who will say yes.

Indeed, Neal & Chad: it’s a harsh time…

2 weeks ago, the major public TV station in France wanted to air a “short piece about Iceland” and asked for 20 photos of mine. “Full& wide” credit (wtf does that mean?) but "couldn’t pay, as ther budget were oh “so low” in this “economic crisis” (I “would understand”)… Right!
After some back&forth emailing, I obviously denied that “great opportunity for both of us” (and NO $ for me)…

And, 2 days ago, they told me (sic!) that some guy accepted their terms! Fils de putes.

I hear this all the time too.

I’ve been replying that I offered to put my plumber’s name on my toilet and blog about the experience if he didn’t charge me for his service. He didn’t go for it…

Maybe we can just show up to jobs with a tip jar.

Im glad everyone here agrees that Time Out’s and other pubs. offer’s are a rip off. There may be 50 ‘photogs’ that will do it for free for every one of us that wont but take solace in the fact that your not contributing to the problem. At some point the quality of the photography their using will diminish so far that they might have to reconsider their photo budget’s. Hopefully…