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does anyone have any experience with the Olympus C-7070?

For just everyday random out on the street stuff and perhaps even a bit more. While trying to find a decent review on this camera, I found an interesting article about Alex Majoli using the previous version with success. Im most interested in the shutter lag on the C-7070 and the quality of the file.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6468-7844

thanks.

Michael

by [a former member] at 2005-07-18 11:26:59 UTC (ed. Mar 12 2008 ) New York City , United States | Bookmark | | Report spam→

You might also want to take a look at the Nikon Coolpix 8400. It’s the wides at 24mm in 35mm terms and it’s f2.6 so quite fast. I want one and played with one. Was impressed. It’s 8 megapixels and takes the SB 800 and 600. It also have the extra battery pack with vertical shutter button. It’s well built and looks delicious.  http://www.nikondigital.com


by Paul Treacy | 18 Jul 2005 11:07 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
yo michael, I expect there’s still a shutter lag. the way most people are dealing with is by using two cameras, and cycling back and forth between them as they choke up. this only really works with jpegs as far as I know. raw files are going to slow these cameras up even more.


by teru kuwayama | 18 Jul 2005 12:07 (ed. Jul 18 2005) | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
Hi,
 I got an Olympus 8080 a couple of months ago for similar reasons as you described and am pleased with the results. The shutter lag is not so bad, pretty quick actually, but as Teru said the write speed is the hangup. Raw is practically useless, reaaaall slow, jpegs not so bad, but if you use a higher end DSLR normally you will feel a bit frustrated at times. But bottom line, the 8080 is totally worth the money, $450-$500, fast, f2.4@28mm, and is great for what you describe, street pointing and shooting.
-Jeremy

by Jeremy M. Lange | 18 Jul 2005 16:07 | Sunnyside, Queens, United States | | Report spam→
Yeah, Michael, I was curious about this one too, and just got back from playing with it at B and H.  Actually, I was surprised that the shutter lag was not a real problem (given that most of these prosumer cameras all experience some form of shutter lag -  the companies have gone all out to give the consumer more pixels but the processors are not yet up to the job), and though I wasnt shooting raw, of course, I have to say that, following Alex majoli’s method, priming the shutter/focus by preparing it with a half press, the half press to full press was perfectly adequate.  I would like to test it out on RAW though just once to see how that works, otherwise for the price (379 at B and H) it seems just about as good as some of the others out there in the same pixel range  that cost a bit more.  Write times are sure to be a bit slow with Raw, but if you are not shooting rapidly, and I normally dont, that is not such a problem.

The Canon G6 is nice, but I didnt take to it somehow -
however, it beats the Nikon 8400 on a lot of points, so Paul take note, you might want to rethink your choice, especially as the Canon is considerably cheaper (the Nikon comes in at whopping 900 bucks, which, if you ask me, is better spent on a D70 or D50).  The Sony DSC V3 is supposed to be about the fastest of these cameras (519 at B and H), but something about the c7070 really appealed to me.  It is well built, the LCD screen is really sharp, and the normal viewfinder, though a bit small, has an excellent diopter, so it gives you a nice sharp view.  Ergonomically, too the thing feels right.  File quality, I cannot tell yet,   but i am going to look through some reviews tonite (the site I normally go to, dpreview.com, doesnt have their usual indepth review but it does review other cameras in this class.)  Hey, but for the price, this point and shoot really seems like a good overall deal.




by Jon Anderson | 18 Jul 2005 16:07 | Astoria Queens, United States | | Report spam→
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Konica_Minolta/konicaminolta_dimagea2.asp

I have heard some very good things about this camera from people whose judgement I trust…..

by [former member] | 18 Jul 2005 16:07 | new orleans, United States | | Report spam→
I’ve been using this camera extensively for the past three weeks since buying it from B&H and my friend has had it for about a week, and he love it more than I do. This is a TERRIFIC camera that produces amazing files and handles remarkably for its size, cost and ‘consumer segment’.

We really can’t say enough about this little devil — of course it is subject to all the quote/unquote “woes” of the small digital segment, such as slower focus, some shutter lag, lightness, low iso (the highest setting is 400, which has considerable a considerable ‘jagged’ look if you don’t expose correctly).

Overall, however, it has blown both my friend and me away. It is pretty much perfect (or, to be more precise, “As good as it gets”) for the work that we do (which is documentary and street photography).

i’d be happy to show anyone who would like some of our images from this camera in differing situations — send me a note and I’ll send you a link.

by [former member] | 18 Jul 2005 17:07 | Brooklyn, NY, United States | | Report spam→
Noted Jon. Thank you. The Nikon price is nuts. The only thing about the Nikon is it’s compatibility with the speedlites I already have.
It certainly appears that Olympus has the edge in this area by a long shot having now read many reviews.

I think I’ll get one. I want something for the street. My dream come through would be for Konica Minolta to build a digital version of the fixed lens Hexar. That would be well cool.

by Paul Treacy | 18 Jul 2005 17:07 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Ah, a digital version of the Hexar, now that would be my ideal camera.  One day. Meanwhile, I did some reading and this is what I have come up with so far:

As for write speeds:

"The buffer fills up reasonably fast, certainly if you photograph in the highest quality JPEG or RAW format. Only two images fit, and then you have to wait until the buffer is emptied. This makes the Olympus Camedia C7070 Wide Zoom less suitable for the real action photographer. When shooting normally you won’t encounter a limited buffer."

as for shutter lag:

"Shutter lag, the time in between pressing the release button and actually capturing the image, is not an issue on the Camedia C7070. You can capture any action moment, effortlessly."

i wouldnt say it would effortlessly capture images, but it seemed pretty fast to me.

As for image quality, in general it seems to be getting high marks:

"To enhance image quality, contrast, saturation and clearness can be adjusted. Like on almost every digital camera. The default settings however also achieve a rather satisfying result. The clearness is not overdone and the colours are true-to-life. Clarity is of great importance in Marco photography. And also this is perfect on the camera. The Olympus Camedia C7070 Wide Zoom can focus on a very near distance, which gives you a real macro function."

But:

"ISO sensitivity of the sensor commences at ISO 80 and goes all the way up to ISO 400. A fine range. It’s a little bit disappointing that noise is already visible when reaching a little over ISO 100 even with sufficient light. Of course there are many pixels on a small surface but I expect more from the processor of the Olympus Camedia C7070 Wide Zoom to be honest."

And I would too.  I have heard this in several places. it is a bit noisy maybe.  on the other hand, it is getting high marks for its responsiveness, the lens, the speed (relatively for a prosumer point and shoot), the white balance, and a bunch of other factors.  Again, the price seems ideal.

And Matt, thanks for your hands on commentary, that is, for me, the final straw.  A c7070 may just be in my future.





by Jon Anderson | 18 Jul 2005 19:07 | Astoria Queens, United States | | Report spam→
I think we’re all lusting for a small, low-profile, fast, rugged, digital street rig. Just doesn’t seem there yet. Though I read that Majoli article as well, and it’s obvious that with some practice, some beautiful images can be made.

Anyone familiar with the Ricoh GX8. I just read about it this evening, and it seems promising. Supposedly the fastest shutter lag of any compact (1/10 sec.), f/2.5-4.3, 28-85 (35mm equiv.) ISO 1600 (though it probably looks like ass up there, I’ve yet to see a file). A live histogram which could be useful. Even a hotshoe for non-dedicated strobe (a 283 is probably bigger than the camera). No RAW which is a bummer, but it does have some kind of uncompressed option. You know, the propietary type that will be unreadable in 6 years.
I also don’t know if it’s available in the states.

Specs:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/05042601ricoh_gx8.asp

review from site I never heard of:

http://digitalcamera.101reviews.com/ricoh/ricoh-caplio-gx8/ricoh-caplio-gx8-review#more-23

Though I think a canon 10D/20D (or Nikon equivalent) with a small (hah), fast prime is still probably the best way to go at the moment. But I still have a hard time adjusting to those tunnel vision viewfinders. Someone (maybe Jon?) said that the Olympus viewfinder is not traditional, but more like a mini monitor or something. Maybe I misunderstood, but that would be kind of creepy I think.

by Jethro Soudant | 18 Jul 2005 19:07 | Buffalo, NY, United States | | Report spam→
I think the viewfinder I was referring to was on another thread about whether the Panasonic version of the Digilux2 would be replaced soon by a new version.  I also played with that camera and I liked it alot but the EVF viewfinder, which is basically a fairly high res LCD monitor inplace of a real viewfinder was a bit disconcerting, and the files, I have read, are a bit noisy.  Reviewers seem to agree that, even at 1099.00, which is the current B and H price, it still doesnt beat the D70 or D50, which are now available for a pretty cheap price.  I agree with you Jethro, the SLRs are probably the best way to go, but for $379 the Olympus makes a pretty strong case for a point and shoot.


by Jon Anderson | 18 Jul 2005 20:07 | Astoria Queens, United States | | Report spam→
Ah yes Jon, it was the Panasonic thread. Sorry.

Yes, at $379, you can be a bit less worried if someone bigger than you wants it really badly.

by Jethro Soudant | 18 Jul 2005 20:07 | Buffalo, NY, United States | | Report spam→
man, I just wish SOMEBODY would get it right. Im going to B&H tomorrow to have a look at the 7070. Im really looking for something that has been around in the film world for 30+ years, why is it so hard to produce this in the not so young digital realm? Canon, Nikon, who ever, just come ask us what we want. Soo many cameras are almost there, but their shortcomings are just so massive that it ruins the entire product. Im looking for the digital equiv to the Minilux, Hexar, Minox, Yashica t4….

Those cameras produced first class images while being small and simple, beautiful even.

Okay, ill let yall know after i visit b&h.

thanks for all of the help so far.

by [former member] | 18 Jul 2005 20:07 (ed. Jul 18 2005) | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Well that is one way to put it Jethro!  Course I go about armed so I worry less about being attacked (armed with charm that is — I have talked my way out of alot of funky situations)

Michael, I am as frustrated as you are, believe me.  I have been visiting B and H all week, playing the cameras, reading reviews, etc.  Pain in the F$%&ing ass.  What time you heading to B and H ?  I will meet you there.


by Jon Anderson | 18 Jul 2005 20:07 | Astoria Queens, United States | | Report spam→
yo jon,

im not sure exactly what time ill be heading down there…If i see you on AIM tomorrow ill drop you a message.

Seriously, at $379 i might just hand it over to a mugger and not get all ninja wu tang on them…

by [former member] | 18 Jul 2005 20:07 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
i think that all of these new fangled digital cameras should come with TASER attachments or Lojack or some sort of oil slick…

by [former member] | 18 Jul 2005 20:07 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
did someone say Wu-tang? get your wu-name here:

http://test.recordstore.com/wuname/wuname.pl/wuname.pl

shinji kuwayama = excitable misunderstood genius
teru kuwayama =  homocidal terrahawk
eugene kuo = undiscovered bum


by teru kuwayama | 18 Jul 2005 22:07 (ed. Jul 18 2005) | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
great, and I am dizzy cow.  fugedddaboutit.


by Jon Anderson | 18 Jul 2005 22:07 | Astoria Queens, United States | | Report spam→
don’t feel bad, micheal simon is "well-liked assman"


by teru kuwayama | 18 Jul 2005 22:07 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
I was once a proctologist with a large social circle…

by [former member] | 18 Jul 2005 22:07 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
and leo z is "Illegitimate Muslim Fundamentalist"


by teru kuwayama | 18 Jul 2005 22:07 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
Here’s another review to the camera Jethro mentioned, Ricoh GX8
It seems delicious. A larger view finder would be good for galsses wearers like myself.
Check it out though. Ricoh have really addressed many of the issues we have with this class of camera.


by Paul Treacy | 19 Jul 2005 07:07 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Maybe Olympus would donate 40 of em’ to LS to test as part of an online project…….shot all over the world by top emerging photographers— you guys I mean.

by [former member] | 19 Jul 2005 10:07 (ed. Jul 19 2005) | new orleans, United States | | Report spam→
I’m seriously thinking of trading in my D100, lenses and flash units and picking up a few of these delicious little Olympus cameras and muscle them up with dedicated flash units, power packs and lens converters. I think they’d suit my shooting methods better that a big noisy in your face Nikon system. Hmmm. Decisions decisions. I’m returning to full time shooting in September after editing a book and taking care of two kids. Will I make the switch before then? Who knows?

by Paul Treacy | 20 Jul 2005 14:07 (ed. Jul 20 2005) | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
I can only say good things about Canon as well…..and I think there next camera will be the bomb..

by [former member] | 20 Jul 2005 15:07 | new orleans, United States | | Report spam→
Are you talking about their P&S G6 or the DSLR’s?

by Paul Treacy | 20 Jul 2005 17:07 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
I was refering to the DSLR……and mostly Canon’s technology with the chips.

by [former member] | 20 Jul 2005 19:07 | new orleans, United States | | Report spam→
okay, so I bought one. I have only been shooting with it around the house but so far it is pretty good. The files are NOT as good as say my Canon 20D, but they are not too far off. Just a little noisey and a tiny bit jagged at the 400asa. If you shoot it at 80asa the files look really good. The RAW option is not really a good option as it REALLY clogs up the operations for about 2.5 seconds after every shot. The camera is super light and yet feels really solid. It is small and compact with some really nice features. I like that you can turn everything off like AF and metering and make it all manual style. 

The coolest thing about this camera is that it is almost totally silent. The only sound it makes it is like a tiny, tiny tic. Like a sewing needle dropping onto the floor. It is very quick too. I have no issue with the shutter lag, as I really have not even noticed any sort of lag. I mean, this is not for shooting fast action, but it is very responsive. 

It is a good looking little camera. If anyone has any specific questions let me know and I will try to answer them.

thanks for all of the feedback before I bought it.



by [former member] | 01 Aug 2005 08:08 (ed. Aug 1 2005) | Charlotte, NC, United States | | Report spam→
That pretty much sums up my experience so far with this camera, which I purchased before I left town. Keeping in mind the small sum of money they are asking for it, and the fact that it is well designed, pretty fast for a prosumer (except of course if shooting raw), and if set up to shoot along the lines of the old zonefocus method of the past using the manual mode, you can have  a pretty neat discreet little street shooter, all in all a good deal.  To set the camera up in manual mode and preset the focus, you can refer to an article posted i think by Paul Treacy somewhere on LS.  It pretty much gives you all the details you need to make this thing a fast little camera.  When I have time to find the article I will post the link here again.


by Jon Anderson | 01 Aug 2005 11:08 | St Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Ok I found the article I referred to. It was brought to our attention on another thread by LS member J!

http://wrotniak.com/photo/c5050/c5050-leica.html

This will give you a pretty good idea of how to setup shooting in the manual mode so that you get a similar experience to shooting with film and zone focussing.  It works pretty well.  makes me like this camera even more. Now if only they could improve the write times and give me a clean high ISO at 800, man I would be one very happy camper.


by Jon Anderson | 01 Aug 2005 14:08 | St Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
I read that Alex Majoli/Magnum brought six or seven of them to Iraq.  That’s it, no dslr. 

by CGALLAY | 03 Aug 2005 09:08 | LOS ANGELES, United States | | Report spam→
Great camera. Fantastic depth of field. At US price of about 350.00$ it’s a bargain!

Ken

by [former member] | 03 Aug 2005 10:08 | Milano, Italy | | Report spam→
Hey Teru, thanks for the Wu Tang link…let it be known that as of 34 secs ago I am:

‘Cheeky Delinquent’

HA! That’ll teach…hum, whoever, really!

;-) sorry, I drifted slightly out of topic but wht els would you expect from a …Cheeky Delinquent!

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by teru kuwayama | 04 Aug 2005 09:08 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
my reputaion is tarnished for ever…gasp

;-)

by [former member] | 04 Aug 2005 09:08 | Brussels, Belgium | | Report spam→
There is a review at

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/olympus/c7070wz-review/index.shtml

and an information page at:
http://www.molon.de/7070/

There is also a yahoo user group at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/

Update:  I have just been to my local camera store here in the UK.  They tell me that both the C-7070 and the C-8080 have beem discontinued?  So there may be a replacement on the way.  It might also mean that the prices will drop!

Martin



by Martin Shakeshaft | 05 Aug 2005 04:08 (ed. Aug 5 2005) | | Report spam→
Olympus really put an admirable excess of features into the 7070.  For example:

1)  You can copy images from XD-CF.   Nice if you don’t have an 8-in-1 card reader that supports XD.. 
2)  Ability to crop, resize, trim, reduce redeye in-camera.
3)  Editing your movie clips in-camera…

The 222-page manual is quite a read.


by David Monroe | 07 Aug 2005 08:08 | | Report spam→
I use both the 7070 & 8080 for street photography/documentary /photojournalism work. Aside from a DLSR they are both excellent…the 7070 being a great deal for the $$$. Highly recommend them both.

by Milo Hess | 29 Aug 2005 17:08 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
I picked one up not too long ago and have been using it both as the camera to keep in the car as well as on staff assignments and freelance including use with studio strobes and have in general been impressed with the versitility and control that it offers. Granted, the shutter lag and start up time are less than ideal, however, for the price, you get a small (unobtrusive), light, sturdy alternative to the pro DSLR.

by Nathan Daniel Pier | 30 Aug 2005 06:08 | Midwest, United States | | Report spam→
Here’s the latest from Olympu, the SP-350
Check it out. It looks very interesting. Report back your impressions.

by Paul Treacy | 21 Sep 2005 08:09 (ed. Sep 21 2005) | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Paul

The problem is that the lens is only 38 – 114mm as opposed to 27mm on the C-7070

Other than that it looks nice

Martin


by Martin Shakeshaft | 21 Sep 2005 08:09 | Staffordshire, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Sure, but it has those nice lens attachments. But the C7070 looks more serious and you can muscle it up some with the bolt on power pack with verticle shutter button. Hmmm!
I guess the C7070 still has the edge in terms of what a pro needs. A C7070 like camera with 10 megapixels would be the ultimate machine.

by Paul Treacy | 21 Sep 2005 11:09 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
This is my first post after joining LS yesterday. Apologize in advance for resurrecting this thread. I have a 7070 and I like it. A lot. It is a terrific little camera and very usable for documentary street photography. Images from ISO 80 and 100 are stunning. 200 is certainly usable. Noise becomes an issue at 400. I use mine for work quite a bit (when the assignment permits it). Autofocus outdoors is quite fast – it does hunt some in low light. It is unfortunate that it has been discontinued. The closest thing to it is the Nikon 8400 which is a lot more expensive.

jack

by Jack Kurtz | 14 Feb 2006 21:02 | Phoenix, AZ, United States | | Report spam→
I have one, like it, but damn, is it long to write under raw files mode. At least 5-7 seconds, on waiting aound. Very nice files under 100 ASA.






by Michel Huneault | 18 Feb 2006 17:02 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→
It’s a nice little machine and has a lower profile than a dslr. I’ve no complaints with mine…

by Sean Dwyer | 19 Feb 2006 03:02 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→

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Paul  Treacy, Photographer Paul Treacy
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teru kuwayama, I/O teru kuwayama
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Jeremy M. Lange, Photographer Jeremy M. Lange
Photographer
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Jon Anderson, Photographer & Writer Jon Anderson
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Ocala Florida , United States
Jethro Soudant, Photographer Jethro Soudant
Photographer
Buffalo, Ny , United States
CGALLAY, Photographer CGALLAY
Photographer
Vietnam/Cambodia , Afghanistan
Martin Shakeshaft, Photojournalist Martin Shakeshaft
Photojournalist
Barcelona , Spain
David Monroe, David Monroe
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Milo Hess, Milo Hess
Nyc , United States
Nathan Daniel Pier, Photographer/Digital Tech Nathan Daniel Pier
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Green Bay, Wi , United States ( GRB )
Jack Kurtz, Photojournalist Jack Kurtz
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Michel Huneault, Photographer Michel Huneault
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Katmandu , Nepal
Sean Dwyer, Press Photographer Sean Dwyer
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