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DRR Marketplace - is anyone making sales?

Is anyone seeing any change at DRR in terms of selling more or even any images through the marketplace? I am told that the recent reduction in staff was due to them no longer needing the programmers who built the marketplace…and that they are also pushing marketplace hard and will be in 2008…

by Nick Turner at 2008-02-03 11:13:35 UTC (ed. Jun 11 2008 ) Stroud , United Kingdom | Bookmark | | Report spam→

Nick,

No sales. Might be me, might be them. But none in two years.

They got rid of staff because they’re hemorrhaging money and now it’s all “streamlined” towards Marketplace. It’s all about Marketplace.

Apparently it’s all about reaching a tipping point. I forgot how many pictures they have available at this point, but APPARENTLY once they reach a certain number they suddenly become viable.

I hope this is true. Reassuringly, the venture capitalists believe it, because they threw a whole new wad of cash at them, in addition to the original $US10m, around the time of the redundancies.

Wade.

by Wade Laube | 03 Feb 2008 16:02 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
A few…but new agencies, which is effectively what Marketplace is, always take time to get known, draw clients, and issue dividends. I am pleased thus far.
RG

by Russell Gordon | 03 Feb 2008 16:02 | Belgrade, Serbia | | Report spam→
Thanks Wade/Russell

DRR is a good system that i am happy for using as my archive/folio but i’m wondering how much effort to put in to sticking photos in marketplace versus my other libraries. An indication of increased use by the punters would be encouraging…but i havent seen any sign of this yet/ i certainly havent seen any DRR editorial credits in the papers in the UK, also most of the image requests from the research network seem to be travel related and sourced from the US, pictures of cruise ships locations etc etc…I am slightly concerned for the future security of my online archive but am reassured by the UK sales rep that they are here to stay!

anyway enuff rambling ed….

by Nick Turner | 03 Feb 2008 17:02 | Stroud, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Nick,

I think DRR got bylined in The Sunday Times Magazine last weekend.

The Research Network looks dodgy to me. A lot of the requests read like photographer briefs. And many of them should just be commissions. I think some people are using it in the hope that someone nearby will see their request, shoot it on spec, and then it’ll cost them less than a day-rate would have. No expenses either.

I emailed DRR with this but they didn’t respond.

by Wade Laube | 03 Feb 2008 17:02 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
A few of us in the UK have been asking ourselves where the sales are going too. We knew about the ST credit (though I didn’t see it myself) and yes, that was a Travel section, I believe. As a colleague pointed out, sales to ST Travel is easy. What would matter more are the book publishers and educational sales that other agencies make their bread and butter from.

I have made no sales either from MP (or DRR for that matter!) nor referrals but I’d be delighted to hear from someone in the UK who has. I scroll through the Research list and invariably sigh when I fail to satisfy these rigid search terms that sound like a caption of already found photography, rather than mere optimism.

by Richard Baker | 03 Feb 2008 21:02 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Most of those Research Network requests seem to be North American publishers so I imagine most of the Marketplace sales are going there too.

by Wade Laube | 03 Feb 2008 22:02 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
I think it would also be fair to asume that most of the promotional efforts/budgets would be currently
focussed in the U.S.

For those interested in the statistics,i’ve been with DRR since Marketplace was in beta and have also not seen any sales.

For balance,Photoshelter also does not seen to be blowin’ the doors off with respect to sales but, to their credit,they are rolling out
new,usefull features with regularity

by [former member] | 04 Feb 2008 02:02 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→
I’ve been curious about this as well. I’m located in Seattle (near one of DRR’s main offices) and I’ve attended some of their monthly gatherings. While talking to a few of the staff members there I’ve tried to figure out if others are having more success than I am. Unfortunately, all I get is very vague answers. The folks at DRR seem very friendly and I applaud their customer service, but I am still skeptical after one full year with no stock sales.

by Matthew Anderson | 04 Feb 2008 05:02 | Zurich, Switzerland | | Report spam→
I’ve made no marketplaces sales – all my sales are coming in from other sources. The research network is interesting, but it strikes me that they’re coming from people that never bothered to search marketplace. I could be wrong…

by Dave Walsh | 04 Feb 2008 05:02 | Hobart, Australia | | Report spam→
Yes, I’ve made a sale via Marketplace to Gala Magazine in Russia.

It was this photograph from Amsterdam.

Can anyone explain to me why it always seems to be the least likely images that sell? There’s some much better photos in that Amsterdam set.

by Dave Walsh | 04 Mar 2008 14:03 (ed. Mar 4 2008) | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
Dave

Was the rate that was paid by Gala comparative to a similar sale to a North American magazine?

The reason I ask is that I make a number of sales for Russian editorial usage through another agency and,by and large,
the rates that the Russian publications are paying is far below something similar for the North American market

by [former member] | 04 Mar 2008 15:03 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→
Mark, I’ve no idea, as I’ve not really done much sales to North American magazines. However, I can tell you that I got $90 for the sale.

by Dave Walsh | 04 Mar 2008 17:03 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
I submit images to MP since June 2007. Today there are more than 9.500 images of me in the MP. The one and only sale was in January 2008 to Time Magazine. More than three months later I still wait for payment. The DRR archive is a great instrument to serve my clients and I don’t want to miss it anymore. Also the service at DRR is excellent. But after more than 20 years experience in the stock business I’m sorry to say, that the balance of MP is the worst of all distributers I’ve worked together.

by Joern Sackermann | 01 May 2008 15:05 | Cologne, Germany | | Report spam→
Joern. What do you mean when you say that the balance of Marketplace is the worst of all
distributors you’ve worked with?

Do you mean that certain contributors are getting preferential placement in searches or that the content in MP is an issue?

by [former member] | 01 May 2008 16:05 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→
Mark. I mean: All archives and/or stock agencies I’ve worked with or still work with made/make better sales.

by Joern Sackermann | 01 May 2008 16:05 | Cologne, Germany | | Report spam→
i’ve been with them since the launch of marketplace but only saw my first sales in november. i’ve had 5 i think in total now, earning substantially more than the subscription fee, which was all i hoped to do in the first year. i’ve had 2 checks from them so far, which were sent as soon as they got paid from the client.

revenue still amounts to very little compared to more established outlets, but i think drr is slowly turning the corner to where they are attracting clients in sufficient numbers. i’m happy enough to have renewed for another year.

actually, i just checked and i’ve had 2 more sales this week.

by david sutherland | 02 May 2008 13:05 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Just out of curiosity David. What kind of images have sold? Travel?

by Charlie Mahoney | 02 May 2008 13:05 | Barcelona, Spain | | Report spam→
yeah its all bog standard stock travel stuff; the pyramids, leaning tower of pisa, one from istanbul. nothing very interesting.

i joined alamy at around the same time with more or less the same pics and i’ve made more from drr than alamy, which is saying something.

by david sutherland | 02 May 2008 13:05 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
David, well that confirms other things I’ve been told about Alamy, including the rather crazy uploading rules and problems.

I’m actually using DRR primarily as a way of shifting images to clients around the world, and getting paid. If th e sale is generated through the photographer’s own site, DRR pay promptly – but that Marketplace payment I mention above, when I chased up why I hadn’t received payment for it, DRR (who are wonderful to deal with) told me that that they were waiting payment from the client before paying me).

by Dave Walsh | 02 May 2008 14:05 (ed. May 3 2008) | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
Likewise,I’ve had images in DRR’s Marketplace since its start mid last year and just last month had my first sale-an aerial scenic image that sold
for editorial use for over $1 K. Good to see that pricepoint for an editorial sale and it’s comforting,somewhat,to know that they aren’t lowballing
just to secure a sale.

Thanks for the clarification Joern. I didn’t catch the point that when you used the word ‘balance’ you were using it in financial terms.
I misunderstood and thought you meant there was some issue with the structure of the Marketplace.

I’ll agree with you that sales are few and far between at MP but I believe the same circumstantial evidence applies to other similar models such as Photoshelter.
I think users of both systems have to be aware that this new selling model is still in its infancy and will require a little more of a long view

by [former member] | 02 May 2008 20:05 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→
Mark, I agree. I’m pretty careful of what I put online, and as a not-fulltime photographer (I’m also a writer and press-officer) I’m still barging my way through my slowly-coming-under control archive. I’m impressed that that I’m making sales on from a new business, with relatively few images.

by Dave Walsh | 02 May 2008 21:05 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
I don’t like Alamy but I have 5.300 old images at Alamy, which I’ve submitted years ago (since two years I don’t submit images to Alamy). In the last 12 months Alamy sold 64 images of me – not much, but they sold. DRR-MP sold only one image in the same time! And MP has much more and new images of me! But I agree with David: Marketplace is a young company and will hopefully becomes more and more attractive for buyers.

by Joern Sackermann | 03 May 2008 09:05 | Cologne, Germany | | Report spam→
Ok… a second image just made money through marketplace. Whee!

by Dave Walsh | 29 May 2008 17:05 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
Congratulation Dave. I’m still waiting for the check for the one and only sale MP made in January to Time Magazine! I hope you get your money sooner.

by Joern Sackermann | 30 May 2008 11:05 | Cologne, Germany | | Report spam→
Actually, I’m still waiting on getting paid for the first in February. I’ve chased DRR up on it.

by Dave Walsh | 30 May 2008 13:05 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
Actually, I’m still waiting on getting paid for the first in February. I’ve chased DRR up on it.

by Dave Walsh | 30 May 2008 13:05 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
Since I first asked this question back in february I’d had no sales to date with DRR. Since then joyfully I have made 2 sales!. By comparison however I’ve made around 30 sales with Alamy in the same period. I’ve come to the conclusion that for the kind of work I do i.e. general stock DRR isnt going to shift images. My drr archive is a great tool for delivering and viewing images for clients, but I’ll be focussing my future stock efforts through Alamy from here on…I am sure that editorial photographers are fairing better with DRR, I’d be interested to hear their perspective on this…

by Nick Turner | 31 May 2008 22:05 | Stroud, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
made another sale this week…

by Dave Walsh | 08 Jun 2008 21:06 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
My DRR achive was terminated yesterday regretably. After one year I made one sale through a research request that I took up as an assignment, it earned me $200 for two days work, it was for a national geographic travel guide. In one year no client member came to my archive (they have extensive log records that you can generate in your archive). I also recieved one email telling me that I had an image which was close to what someone wanted.
It does not generate sales. But their marketing led me to belive otherwise, they are changing their image as they realise the clients they attract. Their homepage used to showcase some interesting imagery but now only contains horrible generic stock imagery. For those that thought Drr marketing stratergies may be a potential liferaft in the current of empty stock-realism, unlucky.

by Nathaniel McMahon | 10 Jun 2008 09:06 | Beijing, China | | Report spam→
one indication of how things are going at drr is by looking at the order numbers. assuming that each order number = one image sale, in the first year of marketplace they averaged around 100 sales per month (a sale of mine on 31 March 2008 is order number 1230).

in the past couple of months, that average has more than doubled, so that last week they were up to 1675. this is a very rough and ready bit of analysis, but it would seem to indicate that there is significant growth – we can only hope that it continues!

by david sutherland | 10 Jun 2008 09:06 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Hi all… interesting post for me as I too signed up for DRR last September.. I was amazingly rewarded with a sale a few months later in January 07 of 5 photos for a picture story to a French magazine.. which paid very very well… the fact that I have yet to receive a cheque is a different matter though and not very satisfactory at that..!!

I think, however, that people may be mistaking what DRR is all about.. especially in comparing it to ALAMY. It’s not fair on the one hand to complain about the “horrible generic stock imagery” currently on the homepage… and yet expect it to act as an alternate ALAMY and sell your stock images anyway..? Stock library is not the main purpose of DRR as I see it..

For me the idea of DRR is that it gives me back control over my images.. it gives me access to markets which would otherwise only have been available to me if I was an agency shooter.. which wouldn’t really matter to me then either as I’d be on salary anyway. It makes me able to compete (of course on a much smaller scale) with the agencies by being able to have images I shoot available for download almost immediately.. and it takes care of all the commercial aspect of having to sell images without me having to be at my desk or on my phone..

My hope is that if the likes of VII use DRR to represent their images to the market then they will surely be bringing to the site their clients.. who as they get used to using the site will see the benefit of having direct access to many photographers work from all over the world.. and smaller photographers like myself and many others can benefit “by association”…

The fact that I can also put up older or more generic images and submit them to “marketplace” to be sold as stock is a beneficial “part” of DRR not the sole or even primary solution that I think DRR can potentially provide to all solo freelancers…

It’s surely got a long way to go and I think we should be patient.. because I believe and hope and in fact am banking on it paying off eventually..

At the end of the day it’s down to the users to make it work… the more work we put up on the site and the more of our clients we drive to the site then the more potential there is for all of us to benefit from eachothers contacts and resources..

Merely my thoughts…

by George S. Blonsky | 10 Jun 2008 23:06 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Well written George, I’d tend to agree with you. Mind you, I’m also still waiting to get paid for some marketplace images…

by Dave Walsh | 10 Jun 2008 23:06 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
My hope is that if the likes of VII use DRR to represent their images to the market then they will surely be bringing to the site their clients..

George,
As I understand,Vll really only uses DRR technology to power their independant site and, at the outset of Marketplace ,opted not to have their
archive appear in Marketplace.
As a result,I don’t feel their brand offers any additional client activity being pushed to archive owners such as yourself and I

by [former member] | 11 Jun 2008 05:06 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→
True and agreed, Mark.

by Wade Laube | 11 Jun 2008 08:06 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Hi Mark…
But that is the beauty of DRR.. you can choose (as VII has done) not to “lower” your photos to the level of stock by submitting them to marketplace… and keep control of how you sell them without having to be bothered by how to set up an e-commerce solution specifically for yourself… and the cost is only 2% (or is it 5%..cant remember) of your sales..

I’m not sure of the set-up VII have chosen… but.. when any of their clients visit the VII site.. in order for them to access the archive they will still have to register with DRR and by so doing will consequently receive the DRR e-mails whereby an education and raising awareness has already begun with those clients as to what DRR can offer…

The other aspect is also that if VII have introduced prestigious magazines/papers etc.. to DRR and the functionality of it and those magazines/papers are already registered… when I or you or anyone else goes on an assignment and we contact an editor at one of these mags/papers.. they already know the system, are already members and it makes their life much easier in accessing imagery from other photographers because they’re already set up for it..

by George S. Blonsky | 11 Jun 2008 09:06 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Yeah, you shouldn’t sign up for DRR (or PhotoShelter) thinking you are joining a stock agency and that you will make sales simply by uploading images to the Marketplace. Those services allow you to market your images, send them to current and prospective clients, etc. — it’s your archive — but YOU still have to do all the work.

Speed and efficiency of delivery are important, and with those services you can deliver hi-res, captioned, metadata-ed images easily. But, no, just dumping them into the Marketplace and thinking someone will buy them isn’t the right way to think about these services.

Full disclosure: I have used DRR for about three years.

by [former member] | 11 Jun 2008 15:06 | New York, United States | | Report spam→
No way go to the new one SnapVillage of (Corbis) course at http://www.snapvillage.com/ There one fixed price applies to all file sizes {small (~3 MB), medium (~6-8 MB) and large (more than 10 MB)}. For the photograph a licentie can separately be obtained against prices of $ 1 (Euro 0,64), $ 5 (Euro 3,21), $ 10 (Euro 6,41), $ 25 (Euro 16,04) and $ 50 (Euro 32,08) or by means of a monthly subscription. Great more sell less money yep

by [former member] | 11 Jun 2008 15:06 (ed. Jun 11 2008) | The Hague, Netherlands | | Report spam→
in a recent exchange of emails with charles mauzy (ceo of drr) he pretty much confirmed what i had expected: that as far as marketplace goes, their initial marketing push has been aimed at advertising, graphic design and corporate – i.e. commercial clients with big budgets as opposed to the lower-paying editorial markets. (the assumption being that photographers established in those areas will bring in their own clients through their archives)

he expects this to change over time and to steadily broaden the client base, but it seems only common sense that they should chase the big commercial clients first. if you dont have highly ‘commercial’ imagery, you’re unlikely (for the time being) to get a lot of sales through mp.

by david sutherland | 11 Jun 2008 16:06 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
All good points,George, and I don’t mean to rag on DRR.

It’s just that after being with DRR,and in Marketplace, for well over a year with over 3000 ‘lowly’ stock images the
shine of the ‘potential’ is wearing off.

I came to DRR specifically for Marketplace as an alternative to traditional stock selling venues and as a way to regain
some of the autonomy that has been lost in marketing images through agencies.

I was not,and not, looking for ways to push content in front of prospective buyers.

Marketplace was sold on the premise that once a critical mass was achieved Marketplace would pull the buyers in.
Well,now MP hosts many millions of images and if we take David Sutherlands estimates of sales as a reasonably accurate
reflection of sales traffic then the ratio between number of images and number of sales does not suggest a very lucrative
earning potential.

by [former member] | 11 Jun 2008 16:06 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→

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Nick Turner, Photographer Nick Turner
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Stroud , United Kingdom ( LHR )
Wade Laube, Wade Laube
Sydney , Australia
Russell Gordon, Journalist, Photographer Russell Gordon
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Belgrade , Serbia
Richard Baker, Photographer Richard Baker
Photographer
(reportage, documentary, London)
London , United Kingdom ( LHR )
Matthew Anderson, Photojournalist Matthew Anderson
Photojournalist
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Zurich , Switzerland
Dave Walsh, Writer, photographer Dave Walsh
Writer, photographer
(Energy and Environment)
Wexford , Ireland
Joern Sackermann, Photographer Joern Sackermann
Photographer
Cologne , Germany ( CGN )
david sutherland, travel photographer david sutherland
travel photographer
London , United Kingdom
Charlie Mahoney, photojournalist Charlie Mahoney
photojournalist
Boston , United States ( BOS )
Nathaniel McMahon, Photographer Nathaniel McMahon
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George S. Blonsky, Photojournalism George S. Blonsky
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