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New Orleans vs. Mumbai

inches of rain in New Orleans due to hurricane Katrina… 18
inches of rain in mumbai (July 27th)…. 37.1

population of New Orleans… 484,674
population of mumbai….  12,622,500

deaths in New Orleans within 48 hours of Katrina…100
deaths in mumbai within 48hours of rain..  37.

number of people to be evacuated in new orleans… entire city..wohh
number of people evacuated in mumbai…10,000

Cases of shooting and violence in new orleans…Countless
Cases of shooting and violence in mumbai.. NONE

Time taken for US army to reach new orleans… 48hours
Time taken for Indian army and navy to reach mumbai…12hours

status 48hours later…new orleans is still waiting for relief, army and electricty
status 48hours later..mumbai is back on its feet and is business is as usual

USA…world’s most developed nation
India…third world country..

by Alex Reshuan at 2005-09-06 09:24:57 UTC (ed. Mar 12 2008 ) Miami , United States | Bookmark | | Report spam→

That is an excellent report mate, reminds me of India refusing international help for tsunami disaster, but they definitly know how to handle massive disasters. Funny cause have just seen pictures of cycle rickshaw drivers in New York, … USA is cycling (working poors) and india driving Porsche Cayennes …


by [former member] | 08 Sep 2005 00:09 | Montpellier, France | | Report spam→
i think this observation is just a little skewed..

you should also add..

new orleans also hit by hurricane..
mumbai only hit by rain

 :)




by [former member] | 08 Sep 2005 05:09 | New Delhi, India | | Report spam→
Yep sure, can t really compare. We ve seen americans dealing with major disaters … have seen indians dealing with massive disasters and as alex said, where ios the third world country. Tks india refused international help for tsunami or refuses still help for developpement from un or other organisation. Nothing to learn from us and so much from india …

Thats too bad for civilians anyway …

Ganesha blesses all ;-)

me


by [former member] | 08 Sep 2005 06:09 | Montpellier, France | | Report spam→
well…
about india refusing help i honestly think it was stupid..
because a lot more could have been done by help..

i’m indian, but i still feel that that the government of this country is a little too desperate to etch out its place in the world…
it has very eagerly joined in to help the g8 nations to eradicate poverty from africa… and it’s dwelling on stupid issues like trying to get a permanent seat in the security council.. while in its own backyard there are starvation deaths and lots of children in various isolated districts are dying due to malnutrition.. just now the 15,000 crore rupees ( approximately  $ 350 million  ) scorpene submarine submarine deal just came through.. but the govt was  not very keen on a long term investment of about 3000 crore rupees on employment generation projects and other rural projects..

as an indian i find all this pretty hypocritical….

what’s worse is that the image that is being portrayed of india ( as the new hotbed of investment, the new meteoring economy and blah blah blah  ) is just one side of the coin… the media is bloody biased (both national and international).. focussing mainly on politics , stock market and bollywood…

about mumbai… it’s a city with strong people.. and it’s the people who propped up the city during the calamity….
there was a lot of criticism of the govt.. and according to my friends in mumbai (some of them being journalists), recovery and the safety of people could not depend on individual heroism and that the govt had really let the people down.. the damage was worth about 3000 crores.. ( i might be wrong here) but the initial package given by the govt was only 60 something crores..  it was only after a sheer amount of pressure from people. that the govt stepped it up…

anyway sorry about going on and on.. like this.. i’m young.. a lil hot blooded… just finished with my studies and was recently on a campaign which took me to ‘the other india"  which we people in the cities don’t really hear of ( the other india that ironically comprises almost 65% of the indian population) , saw a lot of things.. which is why such reactions..
regards..


by [former member] | 08 Sep 2005 06:09 | New Delhi, India | | Report spam→
Sohrab, remember that the authorities in the States knew what the risks were for New Orleans. The patheic response is inexcusable these days. I think Alex is right on the button. I wonder what might have happened had this disaster occured on Clilnton’s watch. He’d have been there in person very quickly with the full might of the US machine behind him. I’m sure of that. If only Gore had fought a little harder for his rightfull presidency, perhaps the situation would be quite different.

by Paul Treacy | 08 Sep 2005 07:09 (ed. Sep 8 2005) | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
oh no….
i’m sorry if i’m misunderstodd here

i’m not trying to defend or pardon the US govt’s reponse to the situation..

just  trying to clarify certain rosey things about the indian administration…..

1. it’s not like that  indian administration is very effective… and trust me.. the response to most situations is really bad.. here

2. if (hope not) mumbai was hit by such  a hurricane, i don’t know how things would have turned out..




by [former member] | 08 Sep 2005 07:09 | New Delhi, India | | Report spam→
The catastrophe in New Orleans wasn’t caused by the hurricane as such, but by levees and flood defenses breaking, primarily due (it seems) to long term infrastructure under-investment.

This shortfall and lack of social investment on many levels has led to the post-apocalyptic scenes reported…an old peoples home discovered with all the occupants drowned…special needs patients abandoned in a hospital.

The mind reels in horror and disgust at the lamentable lack of preparation and support.

The toxic flood water is being pumped out into Lake Ponchatrain (which will probably ‘die’ as a consequence), onto the Gulf of Mexico…you can argue that environmental catastrophe alone will be on a par with somewhere like Chernobyl or Bhopal.

There has been a lot of finger pointing at the Republican President and the Democrat Governor for the failings, but the truth is that both political parties have been pursuing the same policies for many years, while distracting voters by tinkering on the edges with cosmetic arguments on ‘lifestyle’ issues like abortion and gay rights.

Both parties, under Reagan, Bush Snr, Clinton and now Bush Jnr, have been operating a business friendly, laissez-faire economic model, cutting back on social infrastructure and welfare while showering big business interests with oceans of tax break cash…not to mention completely insane levels of military spending.

Despite it’s stupendously rich economy, the US has a lamentable social medicine safety net, and a grossly inefficient and expensive system of private medicine – the infant mortality rate in the US is worse than Malaysia, and the sighting of rickshaw drivers in New York and here in London (along with people operating shoe-shine booths at our train stations) points to a creeping ‘Third World-isation’ of our economies towards polarised societies and cities which begin to resemble Sao Paulo, Jakarta, Lagos…because we have experienced the same policies in the UK under Thatcher through to Blair.

It’s pointless to compare ‘us’ with India – it’s a ‘nation-ist’ way of looking at the world which is essentially redundant.

The causal factors which link rickshaw drivers in New York with software entrepreneurs in Bangalore is that trans-national corporations now operate globally. To them, a worker is a worker and the nation where they live is irrelevant (most of the companies avoid paying national taxes anyway, or have tax breaks…) – the only relevance is how profits can be privatised while costs can be socialised, or ignored.

The brutal fact of New Orleans is to realise that somewhere in various air conditioned offices, guys in suits looked upon the poor citizens of New Orleans and decided to gamble with their lives by witholding money for social infrastructure.

They lost the bet – but its not the guys in suits who are floating face down in toxic sludge.

A more useful comparison than India might be with Holland, a similar ‘First World’ nation which lies way, way below sea level.

The Dutch have invested vast sums of public money on flood defence…about 1.5 trillion dollars – that’s right, TRILLION…over a 50 year period.

Where did the money come from?

Taxes. Big taxes.

And the public and political will to levy them for social benefit as opposed to private gain.

by [former member] | 08 Sep 2005 09:09 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
My head is reeling Sion. You have articulated most succinctly. Sometimes I just want to return to Europe and leave the US to its misery. This once great nation appears to be losing its way.

by Paul Treacy | 08 Sep 2005 10:09 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Well said Sion.  I placed that simplistic statistic   to show a very complex situation in New Orleans. I think you covered the most important points.
We will see for many months to come finger pointing ,politics and fraces like "this can not happen again"  + MORE politics.
 But this is really  and old human history where the Golden Rule applies: " THE ONE WHO HAS THE GOLD MAKES THE RULE"
I am just wondering what is next.


by Alex Reshuan | 08 Sep 2005 10:09 | Miami, United States | | Report spam→
Let us hope there will not be an uprising. Seriously!

by Paul Treacy | 08 Sep 2005 11:09 (ed. Sep 8 2005) | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Sion,

If you ever run for government..youll get my vote.




by [former member] | 09 Sep 2005 01:09 | UK, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
I said it before Sion, drop the camera (your photos are great BTW) and pick up the pen (more often).
Looks like there’s more to Wales than just the poetry of Dylan Thomas….


by Mikethehack | 09 Sep 2005 02:09 (ed. Sep 9 2005) | | Report spam→
Blimey…Graeme mate, if I ever go anywhere near that, I’d expect you and Paul to set yourselves up in a convenient grassy knoll or book depository somewhere – one with the .408 caliber sniper rifle, one with the 400mm 2.8 IS and an open RBGAN connection to Paris Match.

Dont forget to shoot RAW, ’cos I want my exploding head to have plenty of shadow detail…

And Paul, for Gods sake put down that AK…the Dept of Homeland Security has ears, ya know?

by [former member] | 09 Sep 2005 02:09 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
I can’t help myself Sion. I’m an Irishman, I love a good uprising.
Cheers.

by Paul Treacy | 09 Sep 2005 04:09 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Have been in Mississippi for the past week. Anyone want to grab a drink, please do not hesitate to call…this place can be rather bleak at times. Spencer

by spencer platt | 09 Sep 2005 19:09 | new york city, United States | | Report spam→

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Alex Reshuan, Photographer Alex Reshuan
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