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OLD HORIZON camera REPAIR man? NYC

Hello .. i bought a old old Horizon panoramic camera… don’t laugh… on EBAY… bas…≈∑rds!
it’s totally offkey… the lens slips and the winder too .. AND light gets in either side of the image..
bla bla

anyway.. I went to 110 east 13th CAMERA CLINIC.. and they laughed

anyway.. I went to 110 east 13th CAMERA CLINIC.. and they laughedANYONE know of an old magician in NY or NJ ? I want this camera to work..

anyway.. I went to 110 east 13th CAMERA CLINIC.. and they laughedANYONE know of an old magician in NY or NJ ? I want this camera to work..thank you

anyway.. I went to 110 east 13th CAMERA CLINIC.. and they laughedANYONE know of an old magician in NY or NJ ? I want this camera to work..thank yousveva NOT laughing

by [a former member] at 2006-05-06 11:25:07 UTC (ed. Mar 12 2008 ) brooklyn , United States | Bookmark | | Report spam→

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by Stephane Lehr | 06 May 2006 11:05 | Paris, France | | Report spam→
sniiiiiffff
t’as vu .. j’ai demi retire mon injure..excuse my french!

by [former member] | 06 May 2006 11:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
sniiiiiffff
t’as vu .. j’ai demi retire mon injure..excuse my french!

by [former member] | 06 May 2006 11:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
ah ah ah ah ah
half half …

by Stephane Lehr | 06 May 2006 11:05 | Paris, France | | Report spam→
Which Horizon is it that you have?

by Js | 06 May 2006 11:05 | Trollhättan, Sweden | | Report spam→
How do i add a picture on a post again??

i think it’s from the 60s…OLD

by [former member] | 06 May 2006 11:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
sorry sorry i don ’ t really no that …
take care Svéva

by Stephane Lehr | 06 May 2006 11:05 | Paris, France | | Report spam→
Sveva,
I hear these are good, although don’t know them personally; I considered them at the time I used a WIDELUX – another masochist’s delight:

1) Eddie Smolov, at Fotofaction Camera (I am told he is sick at the moment; wait a few days before calling)
117 7th Ave. Brooklyn, NY
(B) 718 622 5373
(H) 718 646 5728
2) Panorama Camera Center
124 W. 30th St. NYC
212 563 1651
Beware the repair may cost almost as much as a new camera – which most likely will be defective too!
Supposedly sometimes in May/June the KMZ factory in Ukraine will start making the “improved” version. When I plan to buy it.

Buena suerte,

by Julio Mitchel | 06 May 2006 12:05 (ed. May 6 2006) | Brooklyn Heights NY, United States | | Report spam→
thx :)

by [former member] | 06 May 2006 20:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
hey Svelta I’ll fix it for ya!

by Chiara Grioni | 07 May 2006 01:05 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Sveva,

I see that Julio has already suggested Panorama. They fix and sell a lot of older cameras. As Julio noted, might be pricey, though…

W

by Wayne E. Yang | 07 May 2006 10:05 (ed. May 7 2006) | New York, United States | | Report spam→
even the name is a good omen.. will go monday thx :)

by [former member] | 07 May 2006 10:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
Hey Sveva!

Heck of a choice! To be honest, I bet that e-bay has nothing to do with it. In my experience it’s not a good idea to expect too much from any Russian/Ukrainian etc. cameras. Think of Lomography. In case your interested, Horizon put a new version of that camera out a few months ago. The only real change is that it’s bright white :0)

On another note I’ve got the latest Moscow Passport magazine in fornt of me with a feature about the Seto people. Dig the pics.

Mike

by [former member] | 07 May 2006 10:05 | Moscow, Russia | | Report spam→
OH yes Thanks MIke.. i forgot!! i should add it to my publications !
thanks
much fun to be spotted!
AS for LOMO.. don’t they ALWAYS break.. literally falling apart?.. i used to h ave an old Lomo.. then got a new one.. it unscrewed itself in about 6 motnhs..

by [former member] | 07 May 2006 13:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
no, don’t listen to those anti-soviet wreckers and counter-revolutionaries. quality control wasn’t great in the old USSR but zorki, fed, zenit, and kiev cameras are all built like tanks, and the lenses are usually very good if aligned properly. Lomo cameras are at the bottom of the soviet food chain. the higher-grade stuff was better. some of it, like the Leningrad and Drug leica-thread-mount bodies, were downright innovative and interesting from a design point of view. The East Germans (Pentacon-Praktica-Exakta) and the Czechs (Meopta-Flexaret) made a lot of fascinating equipment as well. The current NOBLEX panoramic cameras are made my former East German company KW.

the old Horizont made by Zenit (chrome, with finder that fits over the film rewind) should be a decent machine, though lens is not as sharp as a widelux. at f/8 or f/11 it should be OK. VIKTOR is the man at Panorama on W. 30th Street. Probably all your camera needs is a CLA and replacement of the “strings” that keep the back light tight. try and get him to do it for $100 or less. the newer Horizons are fine, they’re actually the same old camera inside a silly space-age looking plastic housing.

by [former member] | 07 May 2006 13:05 | New York, NY, United States | | Report spam→
no, don’t listen to those anti-soviet wreckers and counter-revolutionaries. quality control wasn’t great in the old USSR but zorki, fed, zenit, and kiev cameras are all built like tanks, and the lenses are usually very good if aligned properly. Lomo cameras are at the bottom of the soviet food chain. the higher-grade stuff was better. some of it, like the Leningrad and Drug leica-thread-mount bodies, were downright innovative and interesting from a design point of view. The East Germans (Pentacon-Praktica-Exakta) and the Czechs (Meopta-Flexaret) made a lot of fascinating equipment as well. The current NOBLEX panoramic cameras are made my former East German company KW.

the old Horizont made by Zenit (chrome, with finder that fits over the film rewind) should be a decent machine, though lens is not as sharp as a widelux. at f/8 or f/11 it should be OK. VIKTOR is the man at Panorama on W. 30th Street. Probably all your camera needs is a CLA and replacement of the “strings” that keep the back light tight. try and get him to do it for $100 or less. the newer Horizons are fine, they’re actually the same old camera inside a silly space-age looking plastic housing.

by [former member] | 07 May 2006 13:05 | New York, NY, United States | | Report spam→
good publications miss
félicitations

by Stephane Lehr | 07 May 2006 14:05 | Paris, France | | Report spam→
merci Steph

and thanks Alan.. i look forward to Meeting Viktor

by [former member] | 07 May 2006 14:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
merci Steph

and thanks Alan.. i look forward to Meeting Viktor

by [former member] | 07 May 2006 14:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

by Stephane Lehr | 07 May 2006 14:05 | Paris, France | | Report spam→
“Counter-revolutionaries” eh? I better go close my curtains ;)))
Your experience with the LOMO is exactly my point.
I’m not an expert on soviet cameras but I have messed around with a few Feds, Zenits, LOMO’s
and a Start with a cool shutter release button near the front of the lens. Alan I suspect you’ve seen it too.
There was one really sharp zenit but on the whole,
results were much more satisfying when I realized they were “artistic” :0))

by [former member] | 07 May 2006 14:05 | Moscow, Russia | | Report spam→
Salut Sveva, moi aussi j’ai une vielle Horizon, quand elle s’arrete de travailler j’ai du l’envoyer en Ukraine, pas cher la reparation, mais long… regarde le link que je t’envoi, tu trouveras d’autres infos sur les posibilités des reparations: http://www.kievcamera.com/service.shtml
Michael Fourman
2907 Aspen Woods Entry, Atlanta, GA 30360 U.S.A.
Telephone
770-409-0026
FAX
770-409-0026
E-mail
kievcamera@hotmail.com
bdmphoto@hotmail.com

A très bientôt et courage!!!
Pat

by Patricio Estay | 07 May 2006 15:05 | Florence-Paris, Italy | | Report spam→
super!

by [former member] | 07 May 2006 15:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
comrade eckels,
in all seriousness i have, for nikon mount, an Arsat (Ukranian) 35mm f/2.8 PC perspective-control lens that has been very good the few times that i’ve needed such a lens for assignments. also a 58mm f/2.0 helios, m42 screw mount, that was fine on an old pentax that i bought in Italy for fun.
i used to have one of those Horizonts that Sveva is trying to get fixed, and a newer Horizon 202 as well — Widelux is quieter and nicer — but for $200, Horizons are good value for the money. Noisy, clunky, not the world’s best lens, and a bit delicate like all swing-lens panoramics, but it is affordable. Panoramic for proletarians.
If you are in Moscow i would think that it’s great fun to build up a large Communist Camera Collection for not much money. My favorite, which i haven’t been able to justify buying, is the “Photo-Snajper” 300mm lens kit with rifle stock. Soviet photography’s counterpart to the Kalashnikov assault rifle! just imagine trying to photograph with that, in, say, Washington DC, and getting killed by a real FBI sniper!
START cameras i’ve stayed away from. i do have a similar Zenit 3 that looks and feels like a hammer (or sickle). Lomos and Lubitels are for the Diana/Holga crew. For the ultimate in revolutionary sharpness i would mount an East German Zeiss lens on a Pentacon or Kiev body, and shoot Croatian EFKE, Czech FOMA, or Hungarian FORTE film on it.
photographers of the world unite!

by [former member] | 08 May 2006 01:05 | New York, NY, United States | | Report spam→
comrade eckels,
in all seriousness i have, for nikon mount, an Arsat (Ukranian) 35mm f/2.8 PC perspective-control lens that has been very good the few times that i’ve needed such a lens for assignments. also a 58mm f/2.0 helios, m42 screw mount, that was fine on an old pentax that i bought in Italy for fun.
i used to have one of those Horizonts that Sveva is trying to get fixed, and a newer Horizon 202 as well — Widelux is quieter and nicer — but for $200, Horizons are good value for the money. Noisy, clunky, not the world’s best lens, and a bit delicate like all swing-lens panoramics, but it is affordable. Panoramic for proletarians.
If you are in Moscow i would think that it’s great fun to build up a large Communist Camera Collection for not much money. My favorite, which i haven’t been able to justify buying, is the “Photo-Snajper” 300mm lens kit with rifle stock. Soviet photography’s counterpart to the Kalashnikov assault rifle! just imagine trying to photograph with that, in, say, Washington DC, and getting killed by a real FBI sniper!
START cameras i’ve stayed away from. i do have a similar Zenit 3 that looks and feels like a hammer (or sickle). Lomos and Lubitels are for the Diana/Holga crew. For the ultimate in revolutionary sharpness i would mount an East German Zeiss lens on a Pentacon or Kiev body, and shoot Croatian EFKE, Czech FOMA, or Hungarian FORTE film on it.
photographers of the world unite!

by [former member] | 08 May 2006 01:05 | New York, NY, United States | | Report spam→
Comrade Chin,

“Horizons are good value for the money. Noisy, clunky, not the world’s best lens, and a bit delicate” How can I argue with that ;0))
Yeah the snaiper is pretty cool. I’ve run across them in use several times at various meetings and rallies. Always in the hands of an old man.
Soviet cameras do appeal to me as intersting cultural artefacts. But as you say, they are for the masses, and though there are undoubtedly some real gems, I think it’s unwise to expect superb image quality from them. If you get it great. But don’t be too disappointed if things don’t work out.
I’ll begin the 5 year plan for collecting cameras tomorrow :))

Comrade Eckels

by [former member] | 08 May 2006 03:05 | Moscow, Russia | | Report spam→
i went to Panorama,, met Fima.. what a great guy.. he didn’t laugh at my camera! and actually gonna keep it over night to check if he can help

WOW

that is great. i’m so happy i have been directed to this place. :)
i will bring them my 180 land camera too!!

thank you all so much for your help
all the best
sveva :)

by [former member] | 08 May 2006 18:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
Well, call me a prole but I like the Horizon 202. I would rather have a Widelux, which are going these days on ebay for about 550 to 700 US, but the Horizon S3 for a bit more than 200 is a good deal. And if you want a somewhat raw look, go for it.

by Jon Anderson | 08 May 2006 18:05 | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Nippon Photo Clinic
920 Broadway, 7th Floor, Suite 705 NYC (212) 982-3177

Tetsu, one of the technicians repairs widelux, so maybe he’ll do your Horizon too.

God! I am just dying to know what you actually look like Sveva! Please take the cup away!!!

by Davin Ellicson | 08 May 2006 19:05 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
So yes Fima.. top gueyser
Panorama.. love the store
as predicted.. $100 to fix it …. TOTALLY!! darn EBAY to hell..
no widelux yet..

by [former member] | 09 May 2006 13:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
…looks like it’s time to start photoshopping the little red scarves onto all of your pictures… :))

by [former member] | 09 May 2006 14:05 | Moscow, Russia | | Report spam→
little red scarves…… mmm… right over my head

by [former member] | 09 May 2006 14:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
little red scarves…… mmm… right over my head

by [former member] | 09 May 2006 14:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
i believe this is a reference to the red scarves that Young Pioneers, Communist Youth, and members of other such organizations used to wear, back when it took three or four years on a waiting list to buy a Trabant.
let’s all keep Panorama in business! they’re one of the last storefront camera stores / repair left in NYC. if every NY lightstalker drops buy and buys something, even a filter or a plastic camera, we’ll keep them going for some time yet! i picked up two lenses there in the last year.

by [former member] | 09 May 2006 16:05 | New York, NY, United States | | Report spam→
VIVE PANORAMA!!
they are fixing my 180 polaroid camera tooo!! for about $250 cheaper than quoted 3 years ago.. it has sat sadly in a camera bag since..

bring your cameras back to life!

by [former member] | 09 May 2006 19:05 | brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
oh miss
show us a image from your beautiful baby… :-)))))))

by Stephane Lehr | 10 May 2006 04:05 | Paris, France | | Report spam→
hello Sveva…i’m an italian photographer living in brooklyn. I just get into lightstalker now…
I have to fix an horizon too…i went to 110 east 13th st and they could repair neither. Has panorama fix it eventually?
thanx
gisella

by gisella sorrentino | 10 Jan 2008 05:01 | Brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
Horizon 202

I love my Horizon.

by Con O'Donoghue | 10 Jan 2008 11:01 | Barcelona, Spain | | Report spam→
do NOT go to the counter-revolutionaries at east 13th street.

Panorama on West 30th is your man. They’ve moved upstairs now, no longer in the storefront, but still going strong.

good luck!

by [former member] | 10 Jan 2008 15:01 | Brooklyn, New York, United States | | Report spam→
ok i’ll try today,thanx a lot alan!

by gisella sorrentino | 10 Jan 2008 17:01 | Brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
yes West 30th.. you’ll know it when u go, the best!

by [former member] | 10 Jan 2008 19:01 | Brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
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by [former member] | 10 Jan 2008 21:01 | Brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
ok thanx!

by gisella sorrentino | 10 Jan 2008 21:01 | Brooklyn, United States | | Report spam→
I just found such an old Horizont.

As I am gearing up to shoot bw film again, I am thinking of adding this chrome brick to the collection. It can’t hurt unless I drop it on my feet.

It looks in good condition, just need to test it running a roll through it… what should I maximum pay these days? On ebay they go quite high.

Has anybody a link to a 100% crop of an image shot with this camera as I read above its not ‘that’ sharp?

Cheers Tom

by Tom Van Cakenberghe | 25 Oct 2009 14:10 | Kathmandu, Nepal | | Report spam→
the old chrome horizon is also known by its russian name: HORIZONT.

There are three on eBay right now with BuyItNow prices between $200-300 USD.
That’s about right.

Sharpness: Remember that the lens is fixed focus at infinity. So it is depth-of-field which brings closer objects into focus. At f/8 or f/11 or f/16, this is pretty liberal, pretty much everything from a meter or so out will be sharp. But by the time you get down to f/2.8, the plane-of-focus doesn’t start until 2.5/3 meters or so. Which totally sucks because usually that’s when you want to shoot close, inside a room, for example.

You could get the lens adjusted so that the plane-of-focus is closer; this means it will NOT be sharp at infinity unless it’s f/11 or f/16. Many photographers find this more useful than the other way around.

Or you can add a little close-up filter to the lens, making it a “macro” and bringing in the plane-of-focus closer that way.

Yes, a pain in the ass. Remember this is the USSR here.

In practice, this means that an unmodified Horizont is most useful outdoors in daylight with at least ASA 400 film so you CAN shoot at f/8, f/11, f/16, and get that generous depth of field.

by [former member] | 25 Oct 2009 16:10 | Peiping, China | | Report spam→
Thanks Alan

So if it works well and I can get it for under 200 bucks then I guess there is no reason not to buy it.

Cheers Tom

by Tom Van Cakenberghe | 25 Oct 2009 17:10 | Kathmandu, Nepal | | Report spam→
f/ Depth of field, meters
2.8: 5.5—∞
4.0: 3.9—∞
5.6: 2.9—∞
8.0: 2.0—∞
11: 1.5—∞
16: 1.0—∞

That’s the depth-of-field scale. Pretty much sucks except in broad daylight.

by [former member] | 25 Oct 2009 17:10 (ed. Oct 25 2009) | Peiping, China | | Report spam→
Did you find somebody for repair? Otherwise maybe ask at Fedka.com

by Florian D. | 25 Oct 2009 18:10 | Bremen, Germany | | Report spam→
Hey these numbers are good to know, i didn’t think yet to calculate that….indeed starts to look usable from f8 only if you want to include people close by etc.

On the other hand I am trying to get cured from a sharpness fixation that I am suffering from due to digital cameras and ultra sharp lenses. Seriously :-s

Cheers Tom

by Tom Van Cakenberghe | 26 Oct 2009 01:10 (ed. Oct 26 2009) | Kathmandu, Nepal | | Report spam→
Duh? I asked the price and they ask 600 USD…You can buy the whole dusty crap-shop for that. (hmmm dusty shop, insane high price, this might be the explenation http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091025091148.htm)

They are selling mobiles there now for Christ sake as they forgot to move on with digital, too.

This kind of absurd opportunistic behavior gets my blood boiling :-p

by Tom Van Cakenberghe | 26 Oct 2009 04:10 (ed. Oct 26 2009) | Kathmandu, Nepal | | Report spam→
Anybody experiences with these guys?

http://cccp.alien-planet.net/horizont.htm

They say 300 bucks for a mint & fully serviced one.

Cheers Tom

by Tom Van Cakenberghe | 26 Oct 2009 06:10 | Kathmandu, Nepal | | Report spam→
i’ve bought a couple of things from these guys and all was fine

http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/panoramic_cameras.htm

by Con O'Donoghue | 26 Oct 2009 11:10 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→

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