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I hesitate to raise this, in view of the far more serious events suffered by Kash and Emilio recently, but I’ve just had five photos published in The Independent (a UK national), without being credited in anyway. Does this often happen to others? If so, what’s the best response?

Thanks, Pete

by Pete Pattisson at 2006-10-26 07:32:51 UTC (ed. Mar 12 2008 ) London , United Kingdom | Bookmark | | Report spam→

pete,when you say they did not credit you,what exactly did you mean? they used the pictures with your pemission but no credit? or did they just use them without informing you in any way?

by Michael Bowring | 26 Oct 2006 08:10 | Belgrade, Serbia | | Report spam→
Hi Michael – they used them with my permission, but no credit.

by Pete Pattisson | 26 Oct 2006 09:10 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Pete,
(nice images), your course of action depends of the relationship you have with the pix editors at the Independent, are you talking about the Daily, the Saturday mag or the Sunday Review?

by [former member] | 26 Oct 2006 09:10 | Brussels, Belgium | | Report spam→
Hi Bruno – It’s the Daily. It’s the first time they published my stuff, so I want to keep them on side, but still make a point.

by Pete Pattisson | 26 Oct 2006 09:10 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
pete,it’s probably best to call them and have a friendly but firm chat.

by Michael Bowring | 26 Oct 2006 09:10 | Belgrade, Serbia | | Report spam→
I agree with Michael. I also add a special instruction with each of my images (both on my web site & in the IPTC fields). That instruction is: Mandatory credit with image usage: Copyright Thomas Pickard. If it isn’t used, a friendly, but firm call will ensue. It is important in the beginning of any photog/editor relationship to make sure you stand up for yourself. In a sense, getting this sort of stuff ironed out in the beginning should mean an easy relationship down the line. T.

by Thomas Pickard | 26 Oct 2006 11:10 | Male', Maldives | | Report spam→
Thanks Thomas and Michael – I’ll give them a call!

by Pete Pattisson | 26 Oct 2006 11:10 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
The advice I’ve heard is to include in your contract/license a clause to the effect that usage without proper credit will be billed triple the normal rate. I’m sure it was an honest mistake, but there’s no question that it hurts you because you missed out on some useful promotion and you now can’t really use these tearsheets. Perhaps they’ll publish a correction?

by Brendan Hoffman | 26 Oct 2006 14:10 | Washington, DC, United States | | Report spam→
In the US at least, and I suspect it is true in the UK, even the owner of the copyright has no statutory right to a credit. You have to insist on it in the license (some pubs just won’t do it — e.g., the Economist). Brendan is right, it probably was an honest mistake. My dealings with the Independent have left me with the impression that it is a class operation. But even at the best places shit happens. Sometimes at odd hours at night, when layout people do not get the credit info, and the photo editor is knocking back a few in the watering hole down the street with his cell phone off, this kind of thing happens.

by [former member] | 26 Oct 2006 14:10 | Los Angeles, CA, United States | | Report spam→
It has always been the policy at the Indy to credit the photogrpahers. It’s a paper that is very serious about photography. They may simply have screwed up. It happens. They may, in fact, be anticipating your calling them on it and you absolutely should. You’ll be glad you did and so will they.

by Paul Treacy | 26 Oct 2006 15:10 | Manhattan, United States | | Report spam→
“My dealings with the Independent have left me with the impression that it is a class operation”

Arguably, the final product has “class” due to the efforts of it’s photographers and writers, but The Independent is far from classy in terms of pay/conditions.

by Andrew Moore | 26 Oct 2006 22:10 | Hong Kong, Afghanistan | | Report spam→
Brendan is on the mark. Stick to your guns. Tell them politely that its unacceptable and you will send them a bill, and you are sorry to have to do this but its a business and they have an obligation to provide you with a credit. If the printer published their magazine with a few ad pages missing, you know they would want some concessions.

by [former member] | 26 Oct 2006 23:10 | New York, United States | | Report spam→
Thanks to everyone for your comments – much appreciated as I’m new to this game. I’ve spoken with them and it was just a rushed mistake on their part. Can anyone clarify – is it standard practice to negotiate a rate and conditions before the work is published or do the newspapers just have a standard set of rates for publishing photos at various sizes etc?

by Pete Pattisson | 27 Oct 2006 08:10 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→

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Pete Pattisson, Photo|Journalist Pete Pattisson
Photo|Journalist
London , United Kingdom
Michael Bowring, photographer Michael Bowring
photographer
Belgrade , Serbia
Thomas Pickard, Photographer Thomas Pickard
Photographer
Rarotonga , Cook Islands
Brendan Hoffman, photographer Brendan Hoffman
photographer
(Prime)
New York, Ny , United States
Paul  Treacy, Photographer Paul Treacy
Photographer
(Photohumourist)
London , United Kingdom ( LGW )
Andrew Moore, Andrew Moore
Hong Kong , Afghanistan


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