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Photoshop CS2 ?s

I’m finally looking at making this upgrade and had a few questions… I know they’ve made some changes to make serial number hacks harder and the like but… Can you install one copy on several computers or is there some Adobe magic that prevents this? Is there a CS3 on the horizon that anyone’s heard of that’s worth waiting for?

Also, does anyone have experience with a place called softwareoutlet.com. They’ve got CS2 for $350, or the entire suite for $585, both a lot less than most places. ….

Muchas gracias… Scott

by [a former member] at 2006-04-21 14:25:06 UTC (ed. Mar 12 2008 ) New Jersey , United States | Bookmark | | Report spam→

Not sure about cheap software never had the experience but according to the rumor mill Adobe wont be releasing CS3 in any rush as the product cycle is usually 1 1/2 to 2 years and CS2 hasnt been out that long. That said the new intel macs are absolutely useless at running CS2 or any version of photoshop to be honest so there is a lot of pressure on Apple to pressure Adobe to release the application so Apple can sell more intel macs.

by [former member] | 21 Apr 2006 14:04 | Tokyo, Japan | | Report spam→
I am not an expert but here is what I know about buying CS2.

If you are getting it for photography only, you might want to wait for Adobe Lightroom, which appears likely to be more oriented to photographers and not graphic designers (CS2 is a wonderful program but half of its features will never be used by even the most skilled photographers). Lightroom is currently in Beta test form for Apples only, and is said to be coming for PCs “soon.” You can download it from http://labs.macromedia.com/. After they come out with the public program, the betas will supposedly self-destruct.

As to discounts, there is a student discount in the range of what you are quoting. But that is only available to legitimate students. Dealers I investigated adhered to the student definitions and limits carefully, but there may be some out there that may not. I never found them when I was buying mine, however.

The way to beat the price is to get someone to sell you an older version of Photoshop (but not, I think, before version 7.0). Then you buy the upgrade to CS2. On eBay I found some people selling them as packages (old PS and CS2 upgrade together). But make very sure that the seller is selling a legitimate older version of PS, one that will in fact register with Adobe (it must have a legitimate product registration number — to install together you don’t even use the PS disk, just the registration number while installing the upgrade). I found one dealer on eBay who had a 100% customer rating who sold me the package. The whole thing installed slick as a whistle, updating everything (including loading the important Camera RAW plugin) and even giving me two free copies of some magazines on PS.

by [former member] | 21 Apr 2006 14:04 (ed. Apr 21 2006) | Washington, DC, United States | | Report spam→
Scott

Each copy of CS2 will only permit two computers to have the same copy installed-i.e.,a laptop for field use and a desktop.
You can ‘deauthorize’ one or both principal computers and install on other machines but can only have two systems running the same version at any one time.
Computers that you will be installing on require an internet connection.

Adobe has stated that CS3 will only be available in Q2 or Q3 of 2007

As mentioned above Lightroom is a very capable program at the moment but useless if you require working with selections,layers,channels,etc or cloning.

by [former member] | 21 Apr 2006 15:04 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→
Thanks for the thoughts. I’ve been looking at Lightroom and it looks interesting but not a replacement for Photoshop. With such limited controls it seems more suited for studio work or highly controlled and consistent situations where very little is needed. Also, it seemed to take a VERY long time to render images and made my little iMac G5 spin it’s fan wildly…

Mark… so if I understand you correctly… if I wanted to share my copy of CS2 with other people I could do that but it will only load on 2 machines within the same network???

by [former member] | 21 Apr 2006 17:04 | New Jersey, United States | | Report spam→
Lightroom is better than most give it credit, remember it is beta

by Imants | 21 Apr 2006 21:04 | 7 Hills, Australia | | Report spam→
It’s beta, it does look promising, it does not work on older macs, but only with Tiger if I remember correctly (it doesnt work on mine, anyway), and on the whole right now you are better off with iView and CS2 as a neat combo. CS2 it is true has lots of features you probably dont need or will ever use, but there are some cool improvements on CS (such as the ability to straighten out parallax, barrel distortion etc which is now much easier). It supports more raw files (unless you can use the newest Camera Raw version with CS, then the point is moot), etc etc. But it is even bigger and it does make my iBook spin its wheels a bit too. I need more RAM.

It would be expensive to buy though. One word: saltmine.

by Jon Anderson | 21 Apr 2006 22:04 | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Lightroom has many potentials. But it is in no way comparable with PS.

It is true that in the basics Lightroom and PS share some features but shortly after “development” of raw file Lightroom is out of the Equation.

I see it so that in the near future one might use both Lightroom and PS. Pre-work like sorting, selecting and basic filing in Lightroom. Then either develop in lightroom and work from there in PS or converting to DNG and Develop and Work on files in PS.

I have been playing a little bit with Lightroom lately an there are many things that I like better when developing in Lightroom than PS. But still I find it a bit slow.

When it comes to darkroom work lightroom is out and to day nobody stops working on his files when they have developed it. Not now rather than you would stop working on the image when film was developed. There are so many things necessary to to do to bring out the best in one image (or clean up the dirt) that Lightroom just can not do.

It will be exiting to follow Lightroom and she how it grows but the fact remains that one needs PS to fully work on ones idea, even though it would be alright to strip it of some elements. Which brings us to Photoshop Elements maybe that could be enough for some.

by Kristjan Logason | 21 Apr 2006 22:04 | | Report spam→
Just my 2 cents… I’ve dumped iView (although I have nothing bad to say about it) and never liked Lightroom at all, but I’ve been extremely happy with Aperture. It’s great as a cataloging app and does a very nice job with basic image processing. For more serious work (not that my images ever need it, yeah right) it goes back and forth nicely with PS CS2. The real issue is that is does require a pretty serious machine. Even with my 1.67ghz G4 with full RAM (2 GBs) and 7200rpm hard drive, it’s not fast… but I still love it.

One bit of advice: There is no perfect system. You’ve got to find a software solution that works for you and your workflow.

Best of luck.

by Art Rothfuss I I I | 21 Apr 2006 22:04 | Caracas, Venezuela | | Report spam→
Scott

That is correct. Each liscensed version of CS2 can only be running on two authorized computers at one time.
I believe you can install the program on as many computers as you wish and then authorize and deauthorize specific machines on demand as the need arises but I
can imagine that would become a major pain in the ass in a hurry.
Different groups have tried to lobby Adobe to offer a price break for individuals to buy secondary liscenses but they wouldn’t budge.

by [former member] | 21 Apr 2006 23:04 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→
for that money you can fly to asia (Bangkok or HK) and buy CS 2 on the street for 10 US$!!!…..or you download it from Limewire, when the registration messes with you, you just reset your date every time and boom….600 US$ saved!!! (and a nice holiday in asis!!!)…p

by [former member] | 22 Apr 2006 04:04 | Hong Kong, Hong Kong | | Report spam→
Hey Phillipp I hope you don’t mind people pinching your photos for 10 bucks, yes I know they charge way too much for CS2

by Imants | 22 Apr 2006 05:04 (ed. Apr 22 2006) | 7 Hills, Australia | | Report spam→
Ha! I bought my Adobe PS Suite (the first ver.) in India.. for $17.oo!! Cant beat that price! I use it everyday for my work, and no problems watsoever! I bought it a couple of years ago.. before the CS2 came out.

by Ali Zaidi | 22 Apr 2006 16:04 | Santa Clara, United States | | Report spam→
Perhaps,Photoshop and most other pro applications are overpriced but is partially due to dumbass logic as mentioned above.

by [former member] | 22 Apr 2006 17:04 | Montreal, Canada | | Report spam→
Well the OP mentioned CS2 for $350 US, and actually while that is still considerable money, considering the extreme sophistication of the program I’d say that is a good price. I am not sure what the suite gives you that the CS2 alone doesnt, but I imagine you could be missing Bridge, InDesign, and Image Ready, that latter of which you can probably do without. But the first two are nice to have.


as for the whole issue of getting street copies of the programs and so on, well I am sorry I dont think any argumentation among us is going to solve a damn thing or is even relevant. The pricing of Adobe products may be due in part to that “dumbass” logic but I think it probably plays a very small part. The pricing is high because it is a specialty item, and while everyone in the world wants a PC not many of those need Adobe products. Just us underpaid digitally suckered photographers. I refuse to beat up on photographers who decide to download and artificially license their programs, but that is just me. You have to follow your conscience on this one. Btw, Phillip I dont know why you have to reset your dates or whatever; you can easily crack the code and have a permanent copy installed (not that I am advocating such practices, mind you ;) ).


To those who argue on the basis of an analogy between protecting photographers’ copyrights and the rights of companies like Adobe, may I respectfully suggest that you turn that well intentioned ire to good use and help us fight the Orphan Works bill that is going up before Congress. You may not be an American citizen, but that doesnt matter, it is going to affect you, and affect you in ways that will screw you far worse than Adobe is screwed by the people that copy their programs illegally. Do a search here, find the relevant threads and then look for subsequent actions we might come up with to fight this bill (we are waiting to hear from some people in the thick of the fight, and we may set out to create a “cell” within LS of people who would like to be recruited in the fight). If you are a resident but not a citizen of the US, you can still write to your local representatives. As for those of you living out side the US, there may be things that you can do, so keep a sharp lookout.

by Jon Anderson | 22 Apr 2006 19:04 | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Hey not many would walk into a shop and steal a copy of CS2 but it’s ok via the net? Music is worse……..

by Imants | 22 Apr 2006 19:04 (ed. Apr 22 2006) | 7 Hills, Australia | | Report spam→
Right, so help us fight against the very strong corporate interests that are preparing to rob you of your little ten dollar photo that some magazine or webzine decided to publish after having stripped out the credit line, thus orphaning your work and allowing all these other commercial interests to simply take that photo and make it their own without ever consulting you or paying a measly dime. Spare me the moral argumentation in abstract; act up. Here is your chance.

by Jon Anderson | 22 Apr 2006 20:04 | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Sorry but I am too busy trying to retain the music we(I) have produced from freeloading downloaders.

by Imants | 22 Apr 2006 20:04 (ed. Apr 22 2006) | 7 Hills, Australia | | Report spam→
Imants, you mean that you cannot take the time to sign up to whatever group we might devise, simply adhere your name to the list? Or that you cannot take the time to contact any photo orgs in Australia that might already be aware of the consequences of this legislation for their members and could be already mobilizing? A simple email? All of which will take you not much longer than it does to read these posts and voice your opinion. You would be doing the exact same thing, but in a much more pointed manner and on a real issue that really affects you, instead of a silly abstract argument on this board. I applaud your fight on behalf of musicians, but you yourself pointed out the analogy, and it’s the same fight, so a little bit of your time and you can back up your talk with some valid action.


Come on, we have talked the talk; now let’s walk the walk a little together, a short stroll, nothing more. What do you say?


Btw, just an observation, nothing personal, but this straight line you toe these days is somewhat out of keeping with your punk rock history isnt it? I mean what happened to the anarchic spirit? From Iggy Pop’s nihilism to worrying about Adobe’s copyright is a heckuva change of direction.

by Jon Anderson | 22 Apr 2006 20:04 (ed. Apr 22 2006) | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Like most here this whole issue is a real concern,I battle it all the time wether it is art. music. photography or seeing my books plagerised. Generally I am with you on this issue Jon it is the rip off mentality on both sides that shits me. I just detest those that openly boast about how the managed to obtain something free or cheaply without consideration for authors or even companies concerned. Not all businesses(IT) are huge concerns and for some budgets and profits if any are simply not there. OK Abode is not a good example but it is a player in the whole picture

Then again if I walk away from it all(done it many a time) it may as well drift freely. Why not? it a nice compliment if used by others and in the end it should just be out there.. now I have to go and grab the stale bread out of my dog’s jaws that’s my lunch Gu…….

by Imants | 22 Apr 2006 21:04 (ed. Apr 22 2006) | 7 Hills, Australia | | Report spam→
Ok, Imants. Peace for now. But if we get any real initiative going I am coming straight to you to ask you to sign on. No time commitment, just a vote on behalf of your photography (and mine and the rest).


Music, I grant you , seems in a pretty bad place these days, though I dont worry too much about the losses incurred by Beyonce and the like. But the smaller fish, certainly. They are squeezed by the producers (or at least they used to be: Jerry Masucci of Fania squeezed the salseros and Berry Gordy squeezed his Motown crew) and nowadays everyone can download their music for free. I dont get your point about plagiarizing your books though. I mean who is plagiarizing them and why? Plus, plagiarism is not copyright violation, it is simply unacknowledged citation. There is a difference. If they acknowledge the source they are allowed to quote you. That is just basic scholarship.

by Jon Anderson | 22 Apr 2006 21:04 | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Most don’t acknowlege the source, change a few words and sell it as their own. Copywrite and plagerism is a grey area in Asia(education), I will leave it as that because I have to dig some holes for my plants

by Imants | 22 Apr 2006 21:04 | 7 Hills, Australia | | Report spam→

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Ocala Florida , United States
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