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this is a nice one of all blues from east village radio:

http://eastvillageradio.com/displayshow.php?showname=The%20Real%20Thing

by [a former member] at 2005-08-07 05:28:41 UTC (ed. Mar 12 2008 ) rome , Italy | Bookmark | | Report spam→

I’ve been thinking for a while that podcasts might end up being a way for photojournalists to leverage their work…bearing in mind the number of people carrying iPods and other mp3 players, the growing number of people using the iPod Photo and other devices with small screens might give us the ability to produce ‘photo-podcasts’ which could be sold in the same way as photo books.

For example, would you pay a reasonable fee for a download of say, Robert Franks ‘Americans’ with a soundtrack of 1950’s jazz?

Or a version of Cartier Bressons ‘Decisive Moment’ with background interviews from the man himself, to while away the hours on a train or plane?

I would.

It’s already done with DVD’s…


by [former member] | 07 Aug 2005 12:08 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
You can do this already on a Palm Pilot or Windows CE, if you wanted to. Remember, though, the screens are very small. You can also make a photo-podcast; podcasts (newer ones) allow pictures to be shown, and you can control the timing. However, again…they’re too small!

by David Gross | 07 Aug 2005 12:08 | Istanbul, Turkey | | Report spam→
Is podcasting really enough of a value-add to justify limiting the potential audience for your work? Just wondering.

I know people like Chris Allbritton are already producing good stuff. My concern is that journalists like him will spend precious time in production, all so fewer people can access it. It strikes me as a step backward from the practical accessibility of (for example) a blog.

by Shinji Kuwayama | 07 Aug 2005 13:08 | Chicago, United States | | Report spam→
Practical accesibility is the issue…there are places where internet enabled devices just don’t work, hence the growth of podcasting, which you download and playback at your convenience, and where no internet (or even radio) exists.

And the screens are small – but who’s gonna lug around Nachtweys ‘Inferno’ in a bag all day?

Or their whole book collection? People walk around with their entire album collections on iPods…the sound isn’t from quadrophonic mega-speakers, but it’s good enough and in your pocket – that’s the ‘killer app’.

It’s ‘horses for courses’ as we say over here. I’ll take a small screen on the tube/train/bus/plane over nothing, and the additional elements of sound, text and voice would expand the initial ‘book’ experience.

It would obviously be a niche market, but one which could be exploited by photographers I think, and a possible way to present photo-essays which are currently faced with shrinking ‘eyeball access’ in conventional media outlets.

It wouldn’t be limiting the audience for your work, if you’re already leveraging images in print and on the web already.

The unfortunate truth however, (and the photographers perennial problem) is that you’d be likely to have either the ‘wrong’ pictures published, or not enough.

The podcast would be an add-on to encourage people to see your extended take on something, in the same way the NYT and Washington Post have extended photo-essays with commentary on their websites…but I can only see them when I’m hooked up to the Web.

There’s also no reason why independent photographers can’t produce them too, and possibly sell them from their websites.

I’m not saying it’s gonna make a mint for anyone, but maybe potentially another string to our bows…’cos lets face it, we need one.


by [former member] | 07 Aug 2005 14:08 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
You know Sion, I think that is a good idea, particularly if you are already producing a sound and slide show for other formats, then you are just making the initial material available in another form, so you are not wasting any labor.  BUT while selling them from your website strikes me as a nice idea, marketing is key, because if there is a place like Amazon where these things are made available and everyone knows they are there, and the idea catches on, then sales could be big, and even if you have to share a percentage you will still make something on volume (theoretically).  But without that public knowledge and access, I think that you would have a limited audience.

Nonetheless I think I will try making one up once I get the slide and sound show I am working on done.  Nice idea.


by Jon Anderson | 07 Aug 2005 14:08 | St Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Any thoughts on how one goes about getting permission to use a piece of music for such an endeavour? If we are to make podcasts available for sale, then we will need to be able to license use of the music we want, if it’s music you’re after that is. There’s a piece of music I’m keen on for my work but if I were to make it available for sale, I’d need to buy a license, right?



by Paul Treacy | 07 Aug 2005 17:08 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
I dunno, I like how Sion is thinking – we have to expand the horizons of where photojournalism can go. We have progressed beyond the simple print medium, but frankly, I have seen nothing really on the web that has become a legitimate source for extending the range for a photographer’s outlet as a storytelling medium, which essentially what photographjy is. In a way, the thing kind of reminds me of a flip book or something. I’ve always been fascinated by the 30 second audio clip on my 1D, and began playing around with recording sound on the camera while shooting. So, in essence, you have a built in soundtrack already on the camera – you could feasibly take the 30 second clip and animate a series of stills to go along with it. Like a miniature serialzednovel, kind of like Dickens 100 years ago on the magazines. Also reminds me of the old Kodak motion picture reels for 16mm film which came in 10 minute reels. I once saw a movie by Raymond Depardon, 10 Minutes of Silence for John Lennon, which was filmed at Lennon’s memorial in Central Park, timed perfectly – the memorial was 10 minutes, ending just as the film reel ran its course. To me, the 30 second clip and a series of digital images spliced together to form a podcast are a modern revival of the determined time sequences you’re given.

Ah, well, I digress, I just think it’s a pretty cool idea. Maybe not a money maker, but I think a helluva way to advertise yourself and a body of work – I could imagine working on a book, and creating a podcast to generate interest in the book, I guess a movie trailer like thing for a photo project, released a month or so ahead of time and then the bookcomes out and shoots to the top of the best seller list, all because of a little podcast!

by [former member] | 07 Aug 2005 21:08 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
As for recording sound, I have never tried the audio clip function you speak of  so I dont know personally how good it is, but I do know from recording my own sound that it is difficult to do so well.  I use a mini disc recorder now with a fairly expensive mike that can focus in somewhat on sound.  Filmmakers and sound people can tell you about the difficulties involved.  But I have been playing with developing a soundtrack that would mix street sounds, music, narrative voiceover etc, and I hope to have it ready this year.

The catch is, as Paul astutely points out, getting permission for music you might use.  This is not easy.   A friend of mine who a few years back finished a film about Bachata music nearly tore his hair out getting permission from everyone, and it proved to be very expensive.  That is why I am so far trying just to go with the homemade uncopyrighted music that the people make here.  If you just have one tune as a background to your podcast slideshow, I imagine that wouldnt be too hard to procure, but I am sure that buying the rights works something like buying photo rights, so the circulation is key to determining the price, and the price might kill the project.


by Jon Anderson | 08 Aug 2005 04:08 | St Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Aha…licensing…where have I heard that before?

For major companies I guess obtaining licenses would be slightly easier, however for independent photographers the way to do it would maybe be collaborating with local musicians – you could just agree that they can sell the podcast with their soundtrack as well…or maybe make two versions – one with the soundtrack in the background for you, one with their music in the foreground for them.

…and I own the license on my own voice…

As for recording sounds, interviews etc, thats something which requires some skill, so it’s early days for me yet.


by [former member] | 08 Aug 2005 05:08 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
It’s this simple: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/07/how_to_make_enh.html

by David Gross | 08 Aug 2005 07:08 | Istanbul, Turkey | | Report spam→
Would there be a market, or interest, on (a) cell phones (b) palm devices?

by David Gross | 08 Aug 2005 08:08 | Istanbul, Turkey | | Report spam→
We should all post links to our enhanced podcasts here at LS. We can learn from each others experiences. I’ve just downloaded ChapterTool but am not very good with Terminal so need to do a lot of study. I can just about use it to ftp files and that’s it. So, if anyone knows of any good books to read on utilizing Terminal on the Mac, please let me, and everyone else know. I have a new book coming out shortly (there have been several delays) and to make an enhanced podcast to help promote it would be well cool.
Thanks for the link David.

by Paul Treacy | 08 Aug 2005 08:08 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
OK Paul, back up a mo’  — explain to me what is Terminal and ChapterTool.  Sounds necessary so I want to learn, and i fyou are actually in the process of putting together a podcast, could you keep us all apprized of your progress. This is beginning to interest me alot.


by Jon Anderson | 08 Aug 2005 08:08 | St Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Hello Jon. I’m completely new to this as well. I just took a look at the link David posted and saw that ChapterTool was needed and so I downloaded it. It’s a little complex to use, I’d say, as it requires a high level of coding skill, seems to me, as it’s launched through Terminal. Terminal is the UNIX window through which everything on the Mac works. You can do everything here. Shift apple A for your Applications window, open Utilities and Terminal is in there. Maybe drag it to your docking station.

I had a problem once upon a time with my Fetch and Transport FTP programs while at Kinkos trying to get out an assignment. Some Greek chap sitting nearby picked up on my frustration and introduced me to the power of Terminal. He quickly taught me how to ftp my files from there. It was a revolution to me. Up until that point I thought I was pretty handy with all things Mac. ‘Twas not the case. I have much to learn. I really want to get my head around Terminal. It’s where it’s at. I’ll keep you posted on my progress.

by Paul Treacy | 08 Aug 2005 08:08 (ed. Aug 8 2005) | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Thanks Paul.  This looks very interesting, and it is nice to know that Terminal can function as an FTP.. … yet more techie stuff I have to learn to survive.  But this opens up some interesting possilities.  And thanks David for the link.


by Jon Anderson | 08 Aug 2005 09:08 | St Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
You don’t need Terminal. Get this nifty piece o’ software: http://www.rbsoftware.net/?page=ctm

by David Gross | 08 Aug 2005 14:08 | Istanbul, Turkey | | Report spam→
Try this: www.mimetic.com/podcasttest.html

Download the experiment. Open it in iTunes. Below the list of playlists, on the left, in iTunes, there’s a 4th button, which shows pictures and album covers. Click it, and a space will appear. Play the podcast, and the pictures should appear there, along with fantastic tinkley music and voice.

Or, download it, if you have a color iPod.

by David Gross | 08 Aug 2005 15:08 | Istanbul, Turkey | | Report spam→
You’re out there ahead of the game somewhat David. Thanks for that. You’ve expanded my horizon. I expect Jon will try it too.
I’m headed up to the Catskills in a couple of weeks. I’ll be learning furiously while I’m there.



by Paul Treacy | 08 Aug 2005 16:08 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Hey David,

I tried to download your podcast, but when I clicked the link, just a screen cameup with a bunch of code etc. I’m using a Mac with Safari, OS X Panther. I’d love to see what you’ve got.

Don

by [former member] | 08 Aug 2005 20:08 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
That happened to me too. I switched to Firefox and selected iTunes as the default for the download and bingo. Hope that helps. It works.



by Paul Treacy | 08 Aug 2005 20:08 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Mac users, check this out:
http://participatoryculture.org/download.php

by Shinji Kuwayama | 10 Aug 2005 07:08 | Chicago, United States | | Report spam→
The trick is to control-click (Macintosh) or right-click (Windows) and download the file. I’ve updated the page to say that.

www.mimetic.com/podcasttest.html

by David Gross | 10 Aug 2005 08:08 | Istanbul, Turkey | | Report spam→
david, I just downloaded and played your podcast on iTunes…nice one!

I have some free time in the evenings for the next coupla weeks so intend to try to begin to get to grips with this stuff too…


by [former member] | 10 Aug 2005 10:08 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Me too. I just published my book and hope to develope a wee podcast to promote it. It should be available through Amazon in a couple of weeks. That gives me a little time to get my head around this stuff.

I’ll post more about my little “pet” project this afternoon as soon as I upload a pdf preview.

by Paul Treacy | 10 Aug 2005 10:08 | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Paul, when you say that "it should be available through Amazon" you mean your book or the podcast promotion or both?  Fill us in on how you are arranging all this, because this is very helpful to all of us.  Paul you are a pioneer.


by Jon Anderson | 10 Aug 2005 10:08 | St Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
No no, the wee book. The podcast thing, I have no idea yet what’s likely to happen.

The web URL to my book is:
http://www.lulu.com/paultreacy

by Paul Treacy | 10 Aug 2005 10:08 (ed. Aug 19 2005) | New York City, United States | | Report spam→
Required reading:
http://www.idlewords.com/audio-manifesto.txt

by Shinji Kuwayama | 18 Aug 2005 23:08 | Chicago, United States | | Report spam→
Regarding your question:

Any thoughts on how one goes about getting permission to use a piece of music for such an endeavour?

There are enough small producers around the world, who would be glad to produce pieces for your stuff,…. If you want more infos just send me an email for contacts,… depends what stile you want.

by Eva Minu Schimmer | 19 Aug 2005 02:08 | Vienna, Austria | | Report spam→

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