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Ricoh GR digital, what a load of crap.........!

what a load of crap………! I had a play with one in Aus a couple of weeks ago with the 28-mm scope on top, when you take a frame, well take a frame is an understatement, you might as well take a trip. You have enough time go off and make yourself a cup of tea and be back just in time for the camera to be ready for the next frame. 7-8 sec between frames. That goes for all settings jpeg-low, jpeg-hi and Raw. I wouldn’t recommend this camera to my Soi dog. RD got it very wrong…….! don’t spend your money. But if anyone else has a different story please post it

by Patrick Brown at 2005-12-06 06:20:25 UTC (ed. Mar 12 2008 ) Bangkok , Thailand | Bookmark | | Report spam→

Hey, aren’t you the guy that reviewed Mac OS 10.4? Paddy, try another one out when you get back to Bangkok, please. Maybe you just had your hands on the one made for the Australian market. Probably sacrifices speed for durability. Maybe.


by John Trotter | 06 Dec 2005 07:12 | Brooklyn, NY, United States | | Report spam→
Damn, that was going to be my Xmas gift to myself. I guess its underwear again this year.


by [former member] | 06 Dec 2005 07:12 (ed. Dec 6 2005) | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
I suspected as much…I took one look at the specs and the sloooow frame rate and put my hard earned back in the piggy bank.

Theres another thread on here about compact cameras which might give everyone some Xmas gift ideas…


by [former member] | 06 Dec 2005 08:12 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Oh crap – that was going to be my Xmas present to me too. After spending weeks going and back and forth over all the details, I think I’ll just bypass the P&S andlug my SLR around.

Although, I was leaning towards the Panasonic Lumix, seems okay, but the plus for the Ricoh is 1600 ISO,most other cameras just go to 400.

by [former member] | 06 Dec 2005 17:12 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Just got mine yesterday, and loving it, around 1 sec between shots shooting in raw using a 1GB Pro SD card, super light and compact. Picture quality is really amazing. Shutter lag takes some getting used to compared to a PRO DSLR though.


by Nayan Sthankiya | 06 Dec 2005 18:12 | Seoul, Korea (South) | | Report spam→
Christmas Is Back On! I’m getting it. What a load of Christmas Cheer!


by [former member] | 07 Dec 2005 10:12 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
How much shutter lag, Nayan?

by John Trotter | 07 Dec 2005 11:12 | Brooklyn, NY, United States | | Report spam→
Hey…why such a dramatic discepancy of experiences with the GR? Patrick, any chance that you had your hands on a lemon? Nayan…you’ve perked my interest. How do you find the quality with available low-light? Any samples from the GR that you could share with us?? Donald…have you seen the camera in Canada yet??


by Paul Gibson | 07 Dec 2005 11:12 | Vancouver, Canada | | Report spam→
It’s still a point and shoot, so low expectations should abound…

by Sean Dwyer | 07 Dec 2005 12:12 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
Paul – that is the problem with the GR for me, I haven’t actually been able to play with it as I don’t think there is anybody in Canada who sells it, although they do have the GX8, but I am a little iffy on it. I have to go on reviews and word of mouth, but so far, I think it’s the closest thing to a “professional” grade P&S- all I want is a fairly quick shutter lag and high ISO, oh, and compact – after that, I’m fairly flexible. And this one stands out. But then it’s not available in North America. I was going to order from the UK.

by [former member] | 07 Dec 2005 13:12 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
had a quick play with it in Japan Donald, responsive enough, nicely built, solid little thing. as Sean mentioned it is still just a P&S with the tiny little sensor so i think you will be disappointed if you are looking for clean images at higher ISO. sucks that you have to by the viewfinder for quite a bit of extra cash, makes it more like 1000USD at current exchange rates.

by [former member] | 07 Dec 2005 18:12 (ed. Dec 7 2005) | Singapore, Singapore | | Report spam→
Here’s a link to a gallery of images from the GR Digital

http://www.ricoh.co.jp/dc/gr/gallery/?dctop

I should have some stuff together by end of the weekend, low light high ISO stuff, North Korean human rights candle light stuff going on on Sat.


by Nayan Sthankiya | 07 Dec 2005 19:12 | Seoul, Korea (South) | | Report spam→
Nayan, I’m very happy you liked it because I’ve ordered it and I’m waiting for it. At the beginning of this thread I was just a little bit scared… I’m very curious to see your photos later (done with GR-D).
Best reguards,

Ken

by [former member] | 08 Dec 2005 03:12 | Milano, Italy | | Report spam→
so its available on ebay through a canadian dealer. Has anyone bought in in North America through someone they would recommend?


by [former member] | 08 Dec 2005 12:12 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
Hey Spencer – who’s the dealer? Where’s it located etc. or is it just an ebay thing?

by [former member] | 08 Dec 2005 13:12 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Methinks most of the shots on that gallery are using raw, there seems to be plenty of dynamic range. Nice pics from a point and shoot, some shot on the fly but some also shot with a tripod. Nice…

by Sean Dwyer | 08 Dec 2005 13:12 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
I think its just an ebay thing. Looks like thats where I’ll have to get it from. Kind of sucks.

by [former member] | 08 Dec 2005 14:12 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
Just had my paws on the Ricoh GR this afternoon and I was sooo close to taking the dive. My credit card was burning a hole in my pocket with the expectation of a Canon 5D purchase and I was on a pretty good endorphine buzz. It took a lot to say ‘no’. I would have had the GR body and viewfinder for Sing$987 + Sing$199, minus almost 5% on the way out of Singapore with the tax refund…so figure about US$650. I was mighty tempted, and would have done it too if I hadn’t laid out for the 5D and 24mm F1.4 (coming with a friend from the US- cheaper than SIngapore. 5D cheaper than US, plus makes warantee makes sense for me located in Bagkok). The Ricoh didn’t feel too robust. I’m afraid I’d knock the lens when it’s open and extended. I also reckon I’d just tape down the flash- I’d break that off for sure! Shooting the largest RAW file does require atleast 6 seconds to digest before you can shot again. I tested the shutter lag by panning the camera and shooting at a stationary object- no complaints about shutter lag. The largest jpegs process pretty quickly. If that the RAW files processed as quickly, I’d have the camera with me now. The external viewfinder was excellent- didn’t bother me at all. I suppose that a larger buffer could have allowed for a for a few shots to be taken before gagging. The body is remarkably small- smaller than many mobile phones- and the features were definetly designed for photographers, no bells and whilstles to lure consumers….Hope this helps…cheers, James

by [former member] | 16 Dec 2005 07:12 | Aceh, Indonesia | | Report spam→
Can any of you who have Ricoh GR D help me! I’m having problems being able to process the raw files (.DNG). Does anyone know if you can do it using Photoshop CS (if so, how?) or can you only process them with Adobe Photoshop Elements software which comes with the camera (only a trial version)? many thanks, Simon.

by Simon Roberts | 23 Dec 2005 10:12 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Hi Simon,
I’ve got Photoshop CS2 and it works. I mean, I just open it with ACR.

Ken

by [former member] | 23 Dec 2005 15:12 | Milano, Italy | | Report spam→
In CS, RAW files open with File Browser.

Simon – how do you like the camera? I’m thinking of one myself, and what was your final cost? I’ll have to pick one up when I’m in London, as they’re not available here.

by [former member] | 23 Dec 2005 16:12 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
It doesn’t work with File Browser in CS, I just get an error message saying “could not complete your request because this version of Photoshop does not supply the services required by this plug-in module” I’ve tried downloading the latest version of Adobe DNG converter however this doesn’t work either. Looks like I’ll have to upgrade to CS2.


Ken, forgive my ignorance, what’s ACR?


Donald, I like the camera from what I’ve seen (I only got yesterday so still getting to grips with it). Very robust, light and user friendly. So far results I’ve seen are very good. Only problem I’ve found is the 5 second buffer delay after each frame when shooting in RAW! Very frustrating. However, I don’t intend in shooting in RAW the majority of the time. Best place (and probably only place in London) to get the camera is Jacobs Photo & Video on New Oxford Street in Tottenham Court Road tube station. They are main stockist for Ricoh and got a delivery the other day. Price was £400.00.

by Simon Roberts | 24 Dec 2005 03:12 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Sorry Simon, ACR means Adobe Camera Raw and is the raw converter within Photoshop.
Ah, and Merry Christmas!

Ken

by [former member] | 24 Dec 2005 04:12 | Milano, Italy | | Report spam→
Yes, time to turn computer off and do some Christmas shopping! Have a great festive weekend and happy New Year. Simon.

by Simon Roberts | 24 Dec 2005 04:12 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Can anyone comment on startup time/AF speed/Ease of MF (is there a scale or a loupe)?   

by [former member] | 25 Dec 2005 11:12 | Johannesburg, South Africa | | Report spam→
Also, noise levels at high ISO’s?

by [former member] | 25 Dec 2005 11:12 | Johannesburg, South Africa | | Report spam→
ok so i just ordered this thing on ebay. I’ll report back on it, but stop bashing it because I feel like "a load of crap" for buying it now.


by [former member] | 29 Dec 2005 10:12 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
Dunno if this is gonna put the cat amongst the pigeons…but I got a Canon IXUS 750 compact for an Xmas gift and it absof**kin’lootley ROCKS man! Goes from 50 – 400 ISO, very fast start up time, short shutter lag and continuous shooting. You can turn the in-camera Jpeg sharpening off to get a really nice file that’s about 20MB. Massive review screen, more than suitable as a viewfinder…I could go on. I’ve never really found a compact that fitted the bill, but I can see myself using this for work as a discrete pocket shooter and a work camera – its virtually silent…and shoots video as well! What times we live in eh? : )

As you’ve probably gathered Im a happy bunny. I was going to go out and buy a Canon G6, but this little beauty has changed my mind.

It only shoots Jpeg, no RAW, but I’m not that bothered – I can’t afford a GR Digital anyway.

by [former member] | 29 Dec 2005 11:12 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Thanks Sion,

That made me feel a whole lot better. great.


by [former member] | 29 Dec 2005 11:12 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
Just as I’m about to get resolve and buy the bloody GR, a post like this occurs! Grrrr… but I guess we’ll never be happy until we finally do it. Although I will now check out the IXUS. Although, what I like is the capability to shoot in low light at high ISO, something I do lots of, so am still leaning towards the GR…. ALTHOUGH (again) RAW isn’t really necessary… blah blah aaahh!

by [former member] | 29 Dec 2005 14:12 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Er, yeah…thought my post would go down well…didnt mean to crow or anything, honest. I’m sure the GR is just the ticket for the money, (which I dont have, so ya got me there already…), its just I was thinking along similar lines to what I suspect lies behind a lot of the postings here. We all want a compact camera to be the Holy Grail, but as yet, that camera simply doesn’t exist. I’ll bet you any money that if you just shoot Jpegs on the GR it will be more than enough to satisfy anyone – its just the pesky RAW setting has us all fretting about ‘what we could get’ as opposed to what you CAN get by just shooting Jpeg.

Most compacts including the GR I suspect, are prone to noise because of the size of the chip – its just how it is. But I’ll take a noisy picture on my card now, as opposed to a lovely clean file which I might get next year on a ‘vapourware’ camera that I can’t even get yet. My IXUS isnt ‘a digital Leica’ or even anything close to 35mm – the viewfinder is a joke, for example. Its just a point and shoot and I intend on throwing it around to go for all kinds of pictures I usually wouldn’t go for simply because I’d have to get the 35 mm camera out of the bag, get the flashgun on etc…the picture is gone by then. So don’t sweat it, you’ll be shootiing barrel loads of pictures with whatever you get just because it’s in your pocket all the time.

by [former member] | 29 Dec 2005 16:12 | London, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Yes, I agree, we’re never going to find the Holy Grail of compact digi camera’s, but a few “pro” features would be nice. I don’t normally shoot RAW, so I’m not worried about that. I want a fairly wide focal length, fast, and most importantly for me, a high ISO, like 1600. And a fast shutter lag; that’s about it, i’d sacrifice picture quality to get those things. Oh, and compact pocket wise would be good to.

Glad you like the IXUS, I’ll check that too. What does it retail for?

by [former member] | 29 Dec 2005 17:12 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
ok, so i got the grd 3 days ago…
it was ordered the day ricoh put up the official anouncement, which means i waited about 2,5 months. but at least, i hva e one now.
start up time is really fast, no problem here. the only thing is the noise when the lens extends. its a bit annoying.
focus is fast, when using “spot focus”. a central small focussing area. good enough for framing through the external viewfinder, without having to check for correct focus on the lcd screen. which is cool, because you can switch off the screen. this way, your face doesnt light up like a christmas tree whenever you want to take a pic in a dark place. makes the viewfinder necessary though. its doesnt make the camera too big. you can also use a mode called “snap focus”, which is a hyperfocal mode, no focus delay here, so even faster.
now, grain…i didnt say noise!
in color mode stick to 64-2OO iso. good enough for newspaper publication. i shot assignments with it yesterday. as a test. the newspaper didnt mind. the noise is very film like. but it’s there.
BW i use at 400-800. the in camera bw mode is excellent. normally i would use a PS plug-in to convert color files. but not with this camera. at 400 asa, a 100% crop of an image shows noise that looks like grain. really. actually it looks like a scanned kodak tmax CN.
other good thing about the camera is that you can switch of most of the functions that you dont need, and you can personalize the dials. once you figure out the menu system, everything works fast.
switching light balance, iso, focus modes. its all done in a second. no pushing different buttons and navigating several menu screens.

i am happy to have bought this camera. i ordered without having read any reviews. the last few week people have posted a lot about this cam. some very good. some very bad. its not a dslr. nor does it rival the functionality of my nikons.
but as a go anywhere camera, it is super. plus, its more than a toy, you can actually use it during assignments. it is responsive enough, even for a photojournalistic environment. and it makes taking pics fun again. just hope it will stand up to the daily wear and tear.
one negative aspect. the regular AAA batteries dont work for shit. they drain in minutes. buy extra batts…

so, recap. color=good. BW=m6 stays at home good.

P

by [former member] | 30 Dec 2005 01:12 | back home, Belgium | | Report spam→
Thanks for that Patrick. you always know just what to say to make me feel better.


by [former member] | 30 Dec 2005 09:12 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
there is a thread about the GR on Rob Galbraith here http://forums.robgalbraith.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=376232&page=0&fpart=5&vc=1
also a link to a couple of full size high iso samples http://www.johncarolan.co.uk/grsamples.htm
 (be quick though as I’ll be tidying up my site soon)


by John Carolan | 04 Jan 2006 08:01 (ed. Jan 4 2006) | Shetland, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Anybody using the external viewfinder witht he GR? Wondering if you need it, or is it just for the 21mm lens?

by [former member] | 05 Jan 2006 19:01 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Donald, I’m using Voigtlander Mini-Finder – the same Cosina make as Ricoh original one, but with brightlines for 28mm & 35mm and lower profile. GR Digital is too small for comfortable steady shooting, so it is good idea to use external viewfinder just to get another point for balancing camera against your cheek. Only drawback is stupid display modes not allowing you to switch it off completely resulting in brightly lit cheek of photographer (from display) when you take the picture. I solved it by adding folding LCD hood ;)

by Andris Kozlovskis | 06 Jan 2006 02:01 | Riga, Latvia | | Report spam→
I’ve had this camera for a few days now with a strong expectation of returning it.  So far however it has been really great, by far the best compact camera I’ve used. 
A few things are really a bother.  It has a real noisy autofocus, no distance scale on the manual focus (a really big oversight as the digital zoom ‘loupe’ for focusing the camera manually is almost entirely useless…still there are few steps on the MF so you can guess-focus with some practice), and no shutter priority mode.  Still, I’m very happy with the purchase and maybe in a few years they’ll be a V2.0.  Also, high ISO’s are great for a compact, but nothing close to a DSLR




by [former member] | 21 Jan 2006 01:01 | Hamburg, Germany | | Report spam→
Picked up one of the first in Aus(direct from Ricoh) the day before I went to Vietnam. No chance to test it at home or check the quality on screen prior to leaving so was a bit circumspect in usage. Sure raw is way to slow for “fast” reactionary shooting but after having got home and having had my processing stuffed up completely(will not mention which lab cause they are usually spot on) I wish I had shot a lot more on the little thing.. Handled humidity, street, damp and rough handling without fault. 28 mm bright finder perfect(voightlander), shutter lag acceptable, slow sync flash useable, macro alot of fun and image quality fantastic. Three of my colleagues also use leica M and where impressed enough to purchase.

Until M digital shows up, this little thing is fine.

by david lange | 21 Jan 2006 04:01 | sydney, Australia | | Report spam→

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Patrick Brown, Photographer Patrick Brown
Photographer
Bangkok , Thailand
John Trotter, Photographer John Trotter
Photographer
Brooklyn, Ny , United States ( JFK )
Nayan Sthankiya, Visual Journalist Nayan Sthankiya
Visual Journalist
Saskatoon , Canada
Paul Gibson, Paul Gibson
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Sean Dwyer, Press Photographer Sean Dwyer
Press Photographer
Dublin , Ireland
Simon Roberts, Photographer Simon Roberts
Photographer
Brighton , United Kingdom
John Carolan, Photographer John Carolan
Photographer
Shetland , United Kingdom
Andris Kozlovskis, Visually Literate Artisan Andris Kozlovskis
Visually Literate Artisan
Riga , Latvia ( rix )
david lange, Photographer david lange
Photographer
Melbourne , Australia


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