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Sarah Lawrence College photo teacher opening

Sarah Lawrence College has an opening for a one year,
full-time, guest appointment beginning fall 2006 to
teach two classes (up to 15 students in each class;
group and individualized study) of color and advanced
photography. Active participation in the life of the
Visual Arts Program and the College is an essential
requirement. Candidates must have MFA plus at least
10 years of teaching and professional experience.

If interested, please send cover letter and resume (NO
SLIDES) to: Photography Search, c/o Rosemary Weeks,
Sarah Lawrence College, 1 Mead Way, Bronxville, NY
10708. Application deadline: March 1, 2006.

by [a former member] at 2006-02-16 08:38:12 UTC (ed. Mar 12 2008 ) NYC , United States | Bookmark | | Report spam→

Gigi: forgive my silly "2 cents worth" (I know its not your fault): …the advertisement makes me chuckle, as a person who once worked in Academia…

it’s always hilarious to me the absurd requirements for positions, and I’m shocked at Sarah Lawrence, particularly…..especially for a "visual arts" department…..let’s say, one of the greatest teachers (artists) Sarah Lawrence ever had never even attended university, and the "must have MFA + 10 years) nonsense would elimate, for example, Ackerman (never finished university), Giacomelli, or 2-3 dozen extraordinary photographers on LS alone (who’ve not taught photography in an academic environment, let alone for a monstrous 10 years)……..sad state of affairs indeed, it’s why art departments continually promote, promulgate and perpetuate the same bloaded rhymes…..An acquaintenace of mine from Hong Kong once told me this story: Araki and Hosoe were asked about possibly teaching a course of photography at a "well known" artschool in the N.E. (you guess it), and Araki was told that in order for him to be considered, he’d have to submit a proper vitae on academic teaching positions….

Seuss was right, o the places we go ;)))).

better to teach in inner-city programs for the improverished…


by [former member] | 16 Feb 2006 15:02 (ed. Feb 16 2006) | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Well Bob, the lesson is, those people should have spent time in school and not out goofing off making "art".  If you have 10 years teaching and an MFA, when did you do something?  Should have had 10 years struggling to make ends meet learning your craft.  You’re right.  But as an academian, you know that what schools want is someone who can fit into the school/institutional setting and teach to the 40% who can learn from canned instruction.  But the more expensive and prestigious the school, the more programmed the clientele, so it’s probably more like 70% who can learn from canned instruction.

Just as those you mentioned would never be qualified to teach, none of them would have graduated from the program either.  But they wouldn’t like it either….

Interesting circular dis-argument.

I wonder how many minutes Jackson Pollack would have lasted trying to teach a course….


by Mike Allison | 16 Feb 2006 18:02 | western, United States | | Report spam→
I’m a careless speller, I’m sure he would have forgiven me….

by Mike Allison | 16 Feb 2006 18:02 | western, United States | | Report spam→
Ha, Mike and Bob you kill me.  As an ex-academic I dont even want to go there!  So I will bow out of this one gracefully and wish the candidate the best of luck, and thank Gigi as well for notifying us all.

by Jon Anderson | 16 Feb 2006 19:02 | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Jon:  You know I thought twice about posting some distracting thing to a serious post, but I can never resist playing catch with Bob.  The administration of SL called me and said, after looking at my art, they thought I must have had plenty of time to earn a MFA or even a PhD. 


by Mike Allison | 16 Feb 2006 19:02 | western, United States | | Report spam→
Mike: :))))))))))….i’ll play catch with y’all anytime :))))), and you’re totally right: those who are qualified to teach, under most schools rubrick, are in truth most likely the ones most likely to have graduated, and (absolutely) benefitted: since in many many (to me), its the churn of academia (particularly in the arts): to churn out not avarian-free  thought but ant-like reproduction. I dont mind that schools, by definition, seek out  those best qualified (as you put is so wonderfully: creatures like themselves), but are coy in their approach. Here’s what I would have more respect for:

Opening: Tenure-postion (maybe, if your colleagues like you and the dept. chair’s partner has had at least 1 interesting coversation with you over a drunken evening spent around the cherry-table) position: must possess MFA (from either Yale, RISD, no other satisfy) and have had taught (regurgitated appropriate/(d) ideas from mentor hawking gallery show at annual school fundraiser) for at least 10 years and have had at least 4 students in the last year have solo exhibition in either Chelsea or mid-town gallery (Brooklyn shows or outside of NYC automatically disqualify you from application). Must be able to mingle with department and form strong bond: (we mean, support colleague’s egos).

anyway, its all good to me…just funny, the bullshit and pomposity….:)))

Mike, dont tell me you have a phd, i’ll never buy you whiskey ;)))))))) (okay, 1)

by [former member] | 16 Feb 2006 20:02 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Bob:  phd??  My college sent me a discount coupon for a PhD but I STILL couldn’t afford it….  I figured out when I taught school that most teachers had never been out of school — they were the ones who enjoyed the experience of school and then embraced those students who had pleasing behaviors who also liked school for the same reason. 

After 10 years in the Marines, I was only fit to teach special ed to behavioral problems and English as a Second language.  That later became a refuge for the misfits from the rest of the curriculum.  I quit because I couldn’t handle administrators, teachers of the white, blonde, middle/upper class and parents.

The one administrator I did respect, when I asked if I could get some training for visually impaired, asked my why — to which I responed with my altruistic answer.  His reply — "Bullshit.  Besides, I already have one of those, try it again"  Said I, "because I would get an extra hundred a month!?!"  Which to him finally sounded like a good reason to do it….

To paraphrase Marx — I wouldn’t attend any school that would have me as a student….


by Mike Allison | 16 Feb 2006 20:02 | western, United States | | Report spam→
Gigi’s going to kill us by the way.  We’ll have to buy her a whole bottle.

by Mike Allison | 16 Feb 2006 20:02 | western, United States | | Report spam→
Oh man you are really tempting me, do I have stories! but I wont give in because if I do i will have to chip in for that bottle for Gigi.

by Jon Anderson | 16 Feb 2006 21:02 | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
As long as we’re all there when she drinks it.   I’ll tell you about being head butted by a 7 year old when I was student teaching….

by Mike Allison | 16 Feb 2006 21:02 | western, United States | | Report spam→
I’ll open my wallet for Gigi, ‘cause my humour (anger) is not about her and I hope that a deserving LS member applies, gets accepted and kicks butt in Bronxville….and Gigi’s post is important (LS is a magnificent outlet for info and aid and resources, its what I cherish the most, but i also think its important we all never lose our humour about the absurdity of the world, particularly academia which cherishes its school-ties so foundly)….Gigi, when my wife and I come to nyc, i’ll ante up for the punishment…in the meantime, Cambell et al (ibid, puntum, pp 88-92 ;))) ) )  are churning in their graves ;))))….b

by [former member] | 17 Feb 2006 06:02 (ed. Feb 17 2006) | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Is it possible that the “requirements”: MFA, 10 years of teaching and professional experience…are merely a tactic to warn off the stragglers, those who aren’t up for the challenge. The system is not totally impenetrable, is it? There are exceptions. We all have a few brilliant photo friends for whom having an MFA is irrelevant. These few could buck the system, fight the power, get the job. To those I say, if your calling is to teach, then go for it anyway. Experience counts for everything but so does courage to believe in yourself.
A glass of dry red would be nice.

by [former member] | 19 Feb 2006 08:02 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
Wow, Gigi!! My hat is off to you. You ARE a good sport and have great sense of humor. I laughed my head off with this thread. So true what’s been said…

Guys, your tongues and/or cheeks, must be sore by all the pressure… LOL


by Luis E. Andrade | 19 Feb 2006 10:02 | Philadelphia Metro Area, United States | | Report spam→
BTW, I’ll contribute a bottle of good Tannat to that table.

by Luis E. Andrade | 19 Feb 2006 10:02 | Philadelphia Metro Area, United States | | Report spam→
GigI: dont worry, the red (dry) is coming :)))…..LS will know when their beloved Black Family gypies arrive (return) to nyc, and yea, drinks aplenty……btw, some of the stragglers ive know in my life have been the most inspired artists, let alone teachers, its simply a case of escaping the bubble-tent under which most of our lives are drowned……courage is as much about resistance as it is going the road ;)))…Im a teacher, a straggler and photographer-bafoon, so, yes, I’ve had some understanding of all this, but my hope is that those who want, go for it and that SL open its eyes wider.. ;)) (no, neither experience nor execution nor bravery defines what happens in the academia, but those hungry should venture nonetheless, I agree)…cheers,..bob

by [former member] | 19 Feb 2006 13:02 (ed. Feb 19 2006) | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Agreed, stragglers can be wonderfully and brilliantly creative but there are reasons, whether self imposed or out of one’s control, that they straggle and often struggle too. I have straggle in me and lord knows I have struggled. Most recently teaching kids some of what I love about photography, has made that straggle most rewarding. Ever since graduating from Albany, I’ve considered getting an MFA but I chose to straggle and learn from life experience instead. Sometimes when an opportunity like SL comes along, I stop and think of those roads not traveled and I have to smile at the struggles but no regrets only a very good life to show for it. Anyone else a straggler?

by [former member] | 20 Feb 2006 09:02 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
I have been a straggler my whole life Gigi — why do you think I have adopted the Dark Horse as my symbol? — and when I was a graduate student i was initially intimidated by the frightening focus and singlemindedness of some of my competitors there, but I got over it.  Like Antonio Machado says, "se hace camino al andar" — your path in life is made by walking.  Or the great salsero Ruben Blades wrote; "Caminando, asi se aprende la vida, asi se sabe lo que es" (Walking, that is how you learn life, that is how you know just what it is); or, just one more,  as one of my favorite bachateros put it, "despacio con ritmo bueno asi se llega a la cima, suave suavecito, no vayas con tanta prisa; observa todo el terreno, subete a la montaña, quedate un ratico, y despues te bajas, — para gozar lo rico, tienes que conocer lo bueno y lo malo y lo que te de placer." (slowly, with a good rhythm, that is how you get to the top, softly softly, dont rush; take in the surroundings, climb the mountain, linger a while and then descend — to enjoy the riches of life you need to know the good and the bad and what it is that gives you pleasure").

Or as I was myself compelled to write in another post:

Nobody knows what the fuck we are doing here, and that is what makes it so much fun, you just make it up as you go along.  To hell with rules and regs.

¡Caminante, son tus huellas el camino!  Se hace camino al andar.

I remember when i was in school, watching all these serious, driven, frighteningly disciplined students who all knew just where they were going, had mapped out the terrain, calculated the milestones, plotted a straight course.  And where are they now?  Arrived, old, walled in, safe, pretentious, and neurotic.  They were nothing more than tourists all along.  The straight line, the known value, the manifest thesis — these are their guidelines.

Let’s hear it for the wanderer, the real traveller.  The detours, the winding path that twists turns and cuts back, the tangents, the unexpected vista, the thousand synaptic connections that are made when you admit you are lost and you pitch yourself along the hazard of the way, which is nothing more than the comic aspect of that janus-faced old trickster, Fate.

Memory, irony, paradox — the true and convoluted path of genuine thought.

by Jon Anderson | 20 Feb 2006 11:02 (ed. Feb 20 2006) | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→
Gigi: no arguments from me there: good points all! :)))…btw, funny, all these Albany folks! :)) (you, teru, ackerman, etc): its funny ‘cause my aunt and uncle and grandmother lived and grew up in Albany (loudenville) and ive walked, shuffled, driven, scratched and watched-eyeded my way  through that beautifully sad city many times and then my brother also lived there for a while (many stories). Much of my family is from the area too, like the Hudson, Coxsackie, etc…..: funny, when i think of Albany i think of 4 things: 1) Ghosts ;2 )my grandmother/aunt ;3) William Kennedy (novels) and 4) f*cking cold winter visits :))))…o, i forgot, Rockefellar’s egg ;)))))>….love that city, really (but Ive never lived there, so …)…..Kennedy: a straggler’s poet! ;)))))))…Jon: no arguments from me…cheers, bob

by [former member] | 20 Feb 2006 14:02 (ed. Feb 20 2006) | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Jon: Thank you for the thoughtful quotes, very inspiring. Your literary knowledge is impressive and we are all fortunate to benefit from it. I too appreciate the wanderer though not at the exclusion of the disciplined, mapped, calculated or plotted life. “Real” traveling is a state of mind and not only for the wanderer, just as “real” creativity is not only for the straggler, nor is “real” knowledge for the academic. What is the dark horse? Bob: Well now you have a 5th thing to think about when you think of Albany, yes, a place where Michael, Teru and I went to school and had varies ties to “PS”, along with Adam, JC, Sean, Andrew, Lorna, Eric, Eryn, Jennifer, Kenny, John, Gold, Jim, Martin, Bob, Ezra, Cie, Ho Young, Julie, Julia, Tonya, Jon, Elena, Raquel, Jeremy, Brad, Susan, Armondo, Jeff, Randi, Mike, Ron, Marc and all those before and after…

by [former member] | 20 Feb 2006 20:02 (ed. Feb 20 2006) | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
gigi: about albany and what its produced, to quote from Ironweed: who woulda’v guess ;)..now it makes sense to me, when i used to visit and all those snappers meandering around….."there’s only a short walk from the hallelujah to the hoot.."william kennedy…..bb

by [former member] | 21 Feb 2006 06:02 | Toronto, Canada | | Report spam→
Gigi, my point was partly that straggling may just be as purposeful, from the perspective of your destination, (that is, Fate), as the crow’s flight is assumed to be.  What looks like hazard and chance from one side, may in fact be destiny when seen from another.

The dark horse is a betting term:  The dark horse is the horse you dont see, the horse that no one bets on, the one who comes from behind and wins the race in the end.  I  dont know about you, but I grew up in America’s public schools, where team effort, competition, "leadership skills," the straight line from A to B, and a host of other crap was fed to us in the gym, in the classroom, even on the lunchline.  That never sat well with me.  There is discipline, and then there is discipline.  There is the vacant smiling Adornian nightmare of American bright shiny youth marching to the monotonous beat of a hollow idealism,  and then there is the Socratic discipline of the critic, the unorthodox, the one who marches to his own drummer.  The discipline of what Socrates called his "daemon," something that simply cannot be curbed or corralled.  Though some of the academics I have known inspired me and taught me well,  most were just the product of good study habits,  pompous drones really.   I have spent almost a half century on this planet — not counting whatever past lives I may have enjoyed — and I am just coming into my own, in my own way.  My peers have run their race, many of them are back in the stable, but I am still feeling my oats. ¡Y que rico estan!

by Jon Anderson | 21 Feb 2006 16:02 | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic | | Report spam→

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