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Hey Lightstalkers,

I was wondering on where and how you sign your prints. Which information do you include when signing or labeling prints that you give away or sell?

Thanks,
Martin

by Martin Fuchs at Thu May 01 23:43:03 UTC 2008 (ed. May 6 2008) Vienna, Austria | Bookmark this | Digg this |

prints are usually signed au “verso”, or on the back, and numbered in the form of 3/24, or open edition, with a date when it was printed, (and maybe negative date if it was printed much later) with a soft lead pencil for paper prints, or plastic with archival ink or name stamp

by erica mcdonald | 02 May 2008 00:05 (ed. May 2 2008) | New York, United States |
Thanks for your reply Erica. So you’d write something like:
Open Edition
Printed: April 05, 2008
Original Photograph: July 2005
Signature
Is that about right? Sorry for that stupid question…

by Martin Fuchs | 02 May 2008 07:05 | Vienna, Austria |
hi martin

i have been told that you should put as much information on the back of the print, if you made the print as the photographer all the better, also use a good archival method and paper, fibre base paper rather then resin coat paper if you do the darkroom thing. sign on the front also in pencil. no such thing as a stupid question…

by john robinson | 02 May 2008 09:05 | kwazulu-natal, South Africa |
you can use O/E for open edition, A/P for artist’s proof
I find the way the date is written tends to be a preference thing, also there are different conventions for different nations
I sign all my limited edition prints the way erica describes, and sometimes use a ‘chop’ mark or seal, which is stamped on with a japanese soapstone seal, but can be with a rubber stamp, or a metal embossing stamp [I’m getting one of these for my work]

I used to sign the front, but collectors, it seems, prefer verso signed prints. still a matter of personal preference, but to know your market helps also.

I’ve asked many ‘stupid’ questions myself. it’s a good way to learn.

by Caz McDonnell | 02 May 2008 09:05 (ed. May 2 2008) | St.Ives, Cornwall, United Kingdom |
i am looking at dusting off a focomat and getting gassed in the darkroom again, i am missing those prints…

i would love to get a embossing stamp.

by john robinson | 02 May 2008 09:05 | kwazulu-natal, South Africa |
Martin, this is how I do it which doesn’t mean it is right. But byers of my prints don’t seem to care much. It is up to you, the photographer, to put info you feel needs to be there. I do not specify that the print is on the fiber paper since that is quite obvious, I believe…

I sign on the back. For example, starting with the title, if there is any:

Conversation
from THE LAZARUS PROJECT (if print belongs to a specific project)

Print #1 of 11
Printed by the photographer
In Montreal, Apr 2008
Signature

I wish you all (and myself) many sales, of course.
Best,

by Velibor Bozovic | 02 May 2008 16:05 | Chicago, United States |
Hi Guys,

In addition to everything mentioned above, i wanted to add some details to the discussion about what i do whenever i sell a FRAMED print:

(i bill the framing costs directly to the client, by the way.)

i sign the print itself before i give it to the framer. Then, when i get it back from the framer, but before i give it to the client, I stick an adhesive label on the back of the frame with the same info (edition, title, series, type of print, signature, etc.) and below that, add (in small type) the following statement:
“This Photograph is sold for personal use only. It may not be copied or
reproduced in any manner, shape, or form, or conveyed to any other medium.
It must not be used for advertising purposes. This photograph is copyrighted
and protected under international copyright conventions. All rights are
reserved by the photographer and no rights are transferable.”

I’ve seen professional galleries in NYC do this with work, and i think it’s a good reminder for all of us to keep reminding others of the copyright.
Secondly, you gotta think long term on this stuff.
It helps make you look professional, and years down the road if the original buyer ever sells the print, or it gets lost, etc…all of your info is on the back of the frame, so that it will be easily identifiable to whoever ends up with it.
Hope this is helpful.
All best,
Landon

by Landon Nordeman | 02 May 2008 19:05 | New York City, United States |
Thanks all for your help. Good point about the copyright notice Landon!

Thanks again and greetings from Vienna,

Martin

by Martin Fuchs | 02 May 2008 20:05 | Vienna, Austria |
Landon`s post reminded me of a “resale contract” in which the buyer agrees to give a set % of resale of the work or any profits made by a rental of the work, and all reproduction rights.

I am not a person who likes to do the paperwork, so I`ve never botherd about this. However, at least on one occasion or more, I`ve heard that my photos originally sold to a person has been put up on an auction. If your works have a resale value, this kind of agreements may not be a bad idea.

Here is the TAR .

Tomoko

by Tomoko Yamamoto | 02 May 2008 20:05 (ed. May 2 2008) | Baltimore, MD, United States |
viva ls viva!

by john robinson | 03 May 2008 07:05 | kwazulu-natal, South Africa |
On a related subject, how do you price your prints?

Second question: Is a print of an image made with with film worth more than that made with a digital camera? Is the mode of capture a factor in pricing?

Thanks in advance.

by Max Pasion | 04 May 2008 14:05 (ed. May 4 2008) | Bayonne, NJ, United States |
Re: ”...Is a print of an image made with with film worth more than that made with a digital camera? Is the mode of capture a factor in pricing?”

short answer, no.

Just last night I was at an art photography fund-raiser auction (which, unless there are some really big names involved, typically bring more per-picture price than gallery sales) and the digital/film issue made no apparent difference, even though the auctioneer tried to hype the film images as if that were a selling point.

Potential buyers are first looking for an image they would like to have in their homes or offices. Secondly they want quality and longevity of the print itself. Don’t believe any across-the-board statements that silver gelatin prints are superior to inkjet. Unless it’s been properly printed, toned and washed by someone who knows what they’re doing, a typical home-made darkroom silver print usually will have a lot more latent chemicals in the paper than a carbon ink/100% rag injet print any day.

The bottom line is the image and the quality of the print.

Just my 2c-
-Skippy

by Skippy Sanchez | 04 May 2008 23:05 (ed. May 5 2008) | Wichtia Kansas, United States |
i sign, usually on bottom lower right, with date and version of edition (sometimes on back)and with a date of signature…

...soft lead pencil..reason—if from gallery, or if sold..

.if i give away, i sign, no edition, no date

my entire approach to editions are terrible though…..

i gave Veba 2 small prints 1 month ago, and i cant remember if i dated…only signed…

oh well, i dont care that much- a la giacomelli—leave that up to someone else ç))

but, i always sign…

cheers
b

by Bob Black | 05 May 2008 16:05 | Toronto, Canada |
Landon and all of you,
priceless tips,
Im just starting my print sales activity!!!
I had this problem with framing signed prints…now problem solved :)
thanks guys
wish u lot of good print sales, this is nice way of earning on photography
R

ps. Martin if you are in Vienna 19th may you can drop in the brick-5 gallery , we have collectve show there called EAST by Anzenberger

by Rafal Milach | 05 May 2008 16:05 | Warsaw, Poland |
Re: ”…Is a print of an image made with with film worth more than that made with a digital camera? Is the mode of capture a factor in pricing?”

No, but the way it was printed certainly does.

A few months back, I fell in love with a big print by Hajime Sawatari that I saw at a gallery. It was a beautifully-printed nude, shot digitally, about 1m x 1.5m.. (I assumed it must have been shot with a 4×5, given the clarity at that size, but it was actually shot with a 5D, which helped convince me to get one.) It wasn’t the one on this page, but the same model and series: http://www.artdish.co.jp/g/morisawa/index.htm (The one on the left is Moriyama.)

I really wanted to buy it, but the thing was, the gallery couldn’t tell me how it was printed, aside from “giclee”.

Had it been gelatin and silver on paper, it would be on my living room wall right now, but since I didn’t know, I wasn’t about to spend a couple grand on it. While there are, of course, archival digital prints, I’ve seen some “giclee” prints look like crap after a few years. (Of course I could get in touch with him and make sure it’s printed in a way that’s going to preserve the investment, but, well, the moment passed.)

So what about putting some information about the printing process on the back of the print as well?

by Jim O'Connell | 06 May 2008 00:05 | Tokyo, Japan |
Greetings All,

At a recent art fair I was asked why I did my prints were not signed – I simply had not decided on how best to do this. This discussion is helpful! With each print I do include a small 4×5 card with contact info. Also, in my research (visiting galleries and art fairs) I see a number of artists who frame work, sign below the right-hand corner, and then mat the work such that the signature is still visible. Another frequent option I see is where an artist initials (with a gold/silver pen!) in a lower corner of a matted photo.

All the best,

:)
Dale

by Dale Reagan | 06 May 2008 17:05 | Savannah, Ga, United States |

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Participants

Martin Fuchs, Photojournalist Martin Fuchs
Photojournalist
(Magnum Blog Editor)
Vienna , Austria ( VIE )
erica mcdonald, photographer erica mcdonald
photographer
New York , United States
john robinson, photojournalist john robinson
photojournalist
(lurking with intent)
kwazulu-natal , South Africa
Caz McDonnell, Photographer + Caz McDonnell
Photographer +
St.Ives, Cornwall , United Kingdom
Velibor Bozovic, Photographer Velibor Bozovic
Photographer
Montreal , Canada
En route to Chicago (ETA: May 19 2008)
Landon Nordeman, Photographer Landon Nordeman
Photographer
New York City , United States
Tomoko Yamamoto, Multimedia Artist Tomoko Yamamoto
Multimedia Artist
Baltimore, MD , United States ( BWI )
Max Pasion, Street Photographer Max Pasion
Street Photographer
Bayonne, NJ , United States ( EWR )
Skippy Sanchez, Newspaper/Freelance Photo Skippy Sanchez
Newspaper/Freelance Photo
(Skippy)
Wichtia Kansas , United States ( MCI )
Bob Black, Suspect Photog/Writer Bob Black
Suspect Photog/Writer
(Dreamer- Archer-Husband-Dad)
Toronto , Canada
Rafal Milach, Photographer Rafal Milach
Photographer
Warsaw , Poland
Jim O'Connell, Jim O'Connell
Tokyo , Japan
Dale Reagan, Photographer, Consultant Dale Reagan
Photographer, Consultant
(:))
Savannah, Ga , United States ( SAV )


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