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TinEye & finding image theft

It’s a crap morning here in Durban, so I thought I’d give the TinEye technology a quick test to see how it has evolved, and it turned up an amazing piece of blatant image theft, from the most unlikely source

http://stateoftheart.popphoto.com/blog/2007/10/james-nachtweys.html

Turns out that Jay Defoore loved my Nachtwey image so much, it was happily used without any reference to who the owner/copyright was.

All this from a well-respected magazine.

Charming…

by Daniel Cuthbert at Fri Nov 07 08:31:41 UTC 2008 (ed. Nov 7 2008) Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa | Bookmark | | Report spam→

Send the buggers an invoice!

http://www.fota.mota.ru/albums/a0547c600e8c91c18042de23e65cb97c/image/9.html

hows this for blatant theft-they even included my copyright notice!!

by JR, (John Watts-Robertson). | 07 Nov 2008 10:11 (ed. Nov 7 2008) | northants, ETA 5 minutes, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
The TinEye plugin for Firefox is actually pretty damn impressive. I know a few years ago I looked at using Steganography to embed copyright into your image, which then makes it easier for the owner to work out if it has been used elsewhere. It seems that TinEye have taken a similar approach, which allows for us to find the sods who think it’s ok to use our toys without paying.

Give it a whirl, you might be surprised*

*not being paid by them

Turns out even more sods have approached the five-finger method.

http://text.hmmm.co.za/2008/11/image-theft.html

by Daniel Cuthbert | 07 Nov 2008 11:11 (ed. Nov 7 2008) | Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa | | Report spam→
Thanks for posting this. Within a couple minutes I found a travel company that lifted at least 4 photos of mine. I love these guys, statutory damages brings in much more $$ than if they had bought a license…

by Tommy Huynh | 07 Nov 2008 11:11 (ed. Nov 7 2008) | San Antonio, United States | | Report spam→
Heres another….. http://www.ingatlanmagazin.com/read/1447 (poker player)

Again lifted complete with my copyright logo…… ingatlan magazine-anyone heard of them?

by JR, (John Watts-Robertson). | 07 Nov 2008 11:11 | northants, ETA 5 minutes, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
thanks d

j.

by John Robinson | 07 Nov 2008 12:11 | around, South Africa | | Report spam→
You have to laugh at some of the responses I am getting

“we have using that picture for promoting ‘War Photographer’ movie , this is “fair use” for the spanish law."

So using, modifying and promoting someone other work with my image is all “fair use” under Spanish law.

by Daniel Cuthbert | 07 Nov 2008 14:11 | Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa | | Report spam→
I know, I know-it’s cobblers isn’t it. Unfortunately the bastards realise that the time, effort and money to prosecute them under INTERNATIONAL copyright law means it’s unlikely that an individual photographer will bother to go down that road.

Some bugger has even stolen one of my photos then put their own script across it. The chances of winning any copyright theft case where the perpetrator is in Russia and I’m in the UK are pretty much zero though :-(

by JR, (John Watts-Robertson). | 07 Nov 2008 14:11 | northants, ETA 5 minutes, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
Sorry to bump the post, but does anyone know any real person at PopPhoto?

Seems all e-mail to editor@popphoto.com is ignored.

by Daniel Cuthbert | 14 Nov 2008 07:11 | Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa | | Report spam→
Tinyeye is great, I hope they can grow into a full business – I’d pay for that service.

by Dave Walsh | 14 Nov 2008 09:11 | Dublin, Ireland | | Report spam→
Yes I agree

I was already asking my self a few years ago why a program like that wasn’t just included in google.

Now it is tineye…perfect!

But they are not reading meta data…I was kind of interested in that too.

by Tom Van Cakenberghe | 14 Nov 2008 10:11 (ed. Nov 14 2008) | Kathmandu, Nepal | | Report spam→
Here’s one of mine from China…. http://www.shxb.net/html/20070810/20070810_63691.shtml

How do I go about it???

by Alex | 14 Nov 2008 10:11 | Milan, Italy | | Report spam→
Hi Alex,

Dunno about extracting the cash, but here is what I did about just one of mine….
http://www.jr-photos.com/blog/2008/11/tin-eye.asp

by JR, (John Watts-Robertson). | 14 Nov 2008 12:11 | northants, ETA 5 minutes, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
using macbook pro & firefox. when i try to get the tineye plug-in, it downloads “tineye_image_search-0.4.xpi” to the desktop but nothing appears to be installedand it doesn’t open with any applications i have. any idea what i’m doing wrong?

by Skippy Sanchez | 14 Nov 2008 14:11 | Wichita Kansas, United States | | Report spam→
same here, on my former computer i did not have this problem,
i guess we are not doing anything wrong, but something is missing in the computer to make this run properly.
actually when downloaded, a window opens and ask with what application i want to open it.
this means my computer need ‘something’ to open it.

by Laetitia | 14 Nov 2008 14:11 | bordeaux, France | | Report spam→
go to file, open file and select where you downloaded it and then it should kick in the import process.

by Daniel Cuthbert | 14 Nov 2008 14:11 (ed. Nov 14 2008) | Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa | | Report spam→
If you drag & drop the .xpi file on to the open firefox window then it should open the file.

by yolanda crisp | 14 Nov 2008 15:11 | london, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
gracias, yolanda- that did it!

by Skippy Sanchez | 14 Nov 2008 16:11 | Wichita Kansas, United States | | Report spam→
or you can use the Bookmarklet version. I’m using it on a PB G4 OSX and Flock.
http://tineye.com/bookmarklet

by Rommel Custodio | 14 Nov 2008 23:11 (ed. Nov 14 2008) | Concord, United States | | Report spam→
thanks, now it’s ok!

by Laetitia | 15 Nov 2008 12:11 | bordeaux, France | | Report spam→
John Watts-Robertson:Heres another….. http://www.ingatlanmagazin.com/read/1447 (poker player)

Again lifted complete with my copyright logo…… ingatlan magazine-anyone heard of them?
-———————————————————————————————

Hi John,

This Hungarian website is engage with immovable estate. As I see.

The publisher: Arkon Zrt
Address: 1135 Hungary, Budapest, Csata street. 8.
Phone: +36 1 237-2060
Fax: +36 1 237-2069
Editor in Chief: Jamrik Levente
email: jamrik.levente@ingatlan.com

If you need any help I try to help you.

Cheers
Gyula

by Gyula Sopronyi | 15 Nov 2008 12:11 | Budapest, Hungary | | Report spam→
Many thanks Gyula-I’m off out now but will PM you on my return-and obviously keep other LS’er’s informed as to the outcome!

Do other photogs send an invoice for unauthorised useage or just ask for removal of the stolen image?

Best wishes,
JR.

by JR, (John Watts-Robertson). | 15 Nov 2008 13:11 (ed. Nov 15 2008) | northants, ETA 5 minutes, United Kingdom | | Report spam→
John, I wish I could even get some of them to respond, it seems the bigger the site, the more you have to struggle to get contact. I have yet to hear from PopPhoto’s editors, and i’ve sent e-mails and phone calls. The next step is to get a DMCA against them, as they don’t seem to respond well.

Honestly makes you wonder if there is any point in trying.

by Daniel Cuthbert | 15 Nov 2008 18:11 | Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa | | Report spam→
I’ve now issued a DMCA against PopPhoto.com, not sure how their domain admit will act, but all attempts at contacting the editor have been met with total silence from PopPhoto and the image is still there.

four letter words can be used to describe them at this point

by Daniel Cuthbert | 18 Nov 2008 07:11 | Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa | | Report spam→
This is an amazing tool! although it’s not working very well fr me, i tested it against a couple of pictures i know for a fact were stolen by some website and it found 0 results.

But i almost wish i didn’t know who else steals my photos…

Thanks for the link Daniel.


G.

by Guilad Kahn | 18 Nov 2008 10:11 | Bangkok, Thailand | | Report spam→
Daniel, don’t suppose you registered the photo with the copyright office? If so, it shouldn’t be too hard to get a copyright lawyer to work on a contingency basis, esp against an American company with decent pockets.

by Tommy Huynh | 18 Nov 2008 12:11 | San Antonio, United States | | Report spam→
The thieves need to be shocked in order to extract money from them. We need to send a copy of the image stolen on the website side by side with the one you have to demonstrate the theft. I sent my invoice to three persons related by slow mail earlier this year to an Austrian church organization involved with this theft. Two replied me by e-mail. One of them was a webmaster for the church, and he eventually paid my PayPal invoice probably from his own fund as it was only 60 Euros.

I have not tried TinEye yet.

by Tomoko Yamamoto | 18 Nov 2008 12:11 | Baltimore, MD, United States | | Report spam→
Tommy, afraid not, i guess this could be my downfall. Out of interest, does everyone do this with every image they place online?

by Daniel Cuthbert | 18 Nov 2008 12:11 | Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa | | Report spam→
If your stolen image has/had a your watermark on when stolen (quite often they would remove it to put it on the Web), at least you have a point without the registration. It is possible to send a printed composite image of two images, one used by a thief and one on your site by slow mail. (it is better be a slow mail rather than e-mail which can get trashed, but they are more likely to respond by e-mail).

Daniel, don`t give up just because you have not registered your image with the US Copyright Office. I have gotten money from an American campany who used my watermarked image for a commercial purpose. Now the stolen image has been registered with the US Copyright Office, but I did not realize that I have a case without the registration owing to my Japanese citizenship. There is an international treaty, but each country has its own copyright law. In the US, you get less of protection unless you register your image. In Japan the copyright of a photograph or other intellectual property is created the minute it is finished and they do not require registration.



by Tomoko Yamamoto | 18 Nov 2008 15:11 | Baltimore, MD, United States | | Report spam→
Yes, this is a fantastic tool but as others have noted it is not at 100% yet. I searched several photos of mine that are legally posted on websites and it did not find any of them. They claim themselves that they are not up to speed yet as their program has a lot more web crawling to do. Eventually this will be a great resource.

by Bill Thomas | 18 Nov 2008 16:11 | NYC, United States | | Report spam→
Alex,

There is domain name info at whois.domaintools.com.
There is info on the Chinese domain site where your photo(s) are being used.

http://whois.domaintools.com/shxb.net

Make a copy of the images along side by side with your own image and send that along with your invoice to the administrator of the domain by snail mail.

by Tomoko Yamamoto | 19 Nov 2008 03:11 | Baltimore, MD, United States | | Report spam→
Thank you Tomoko, you are super :) !! Hope all is well.

by Alex | 20 Nov 2008 01:11 | Milan, Italy | | Report spam→
Hi Alex, you are welcome. While I was grounded on Monday, I am well enough and hope to be really heading to Tokyo on Sunday.

by Tomoko Yamamoto | 20 Nov 2008 04:11 | Baltimore, MD, United States | | Report spam→
Oh man! Sorry to hear of this… but thanks for reference to TinEye. Going to try it out… though, I’m not sure I want to know. ;-)

by Skip Hunt | 21 Nov 2008 15:11 | Austin, Texas, United States | | Report spam→

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Daniel Cuthbert, button clicker Daniel Cuthbert
button clicker
(..)
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En route to Johannesburg (ETA: Sep 29 2009).
JR, (John Watts-Robertson)., Photographer JR, (John Watts-Robertson).
Photographer
Rothwell, United Kingdom
Tommy Huynh, Travel & Corporate Photog Tommy Huynh
Travel & Corporate Photog
San Antonio, United States
John Robinson, photojournalist John Robinson
photojournalist
(news features from...)
Rietvlei, South Africa
Dave Walsh, Writer, photographer Dave Walsh
Writer, photographer
(Storyteller)
Fram Strait, Off Greenland, Greenland
En route to Longyearbyen (ETA: Sep 29 2009).
Tom Van Cakenberghe, press/photographer Tom Van Cakenberghe
press/photographer
Kathmandu, Nepal
Alex, Photojournalist Alex
Photojournalist
[undisclosed location].
Skippy Sanchez, Newspaper/Freelance Photo Skippy Sanchez
Newspaper/Freelance Photo
(Skippy)
Wichita, Kansas, United States
Laetitia, graphic designer, photogr Laetitia
graphic designer, photogr
Mexico, Df, Mexico
yolanda crisp, photographer yolanda crisp
photographer
London, United Kingdom
Rommel Custodio, Software Engineer Rommel Custodio
Software Engineer
(Amateur Photographer)
Tokyo, Japan (TYO)
Gyula Sopronyi, Photographer Gyula Sopronyi
Photographer
Budapest, Hungary
Guilad Kahn, Photovideojournalist Guilad Kahn
Photovideojournalist
(international news & stories)
Bangkok, Thailand (BKK)
Tomoko Yamamoto, Multimedia Artist Tomoko Yamamoto
Multimedia Artist
Baltimore, United States (BWI)
Bill Thomas, Photographer-Videographer Bill Thomas
Photographer-Videographer
Nyc, United States
Skip Hunt, Photographer Skip Hunt
Photographer
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Austin, Texas, United States


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